The stupid hunt ....

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hunting with a pack of dogs is banned, ie letting the full pack go after a fox and rip it to shreds, HOWEVER hounds can be used to flush a fox out where it then must be shot....

there are actually quite a few loop holes in the hunting act.... heres to a winter of glorious hunting, you really cant beat the meet, and the galloping across fields on a cold winters morning!

It's illegal for a hunt to allow a pack of hounds to chase a fox, regardless of whether they actually catch it or not !!!

It's illegal to flush out a fox with more than TWO hounds.

I agree, there are quite a few loop holes in the hunting act and some rogue hunts certainly try to take advantage of them. This is the reason why hunt monitors are always present at some meets but not constantly present at others.
 
It's illegal for a hunt to allow a pack of hounds to chase a fox, regardless of whether they actually catch it or not !!!

It's illegal to flush out a fox with more than TWO hounds.

I agree, there are quite a few loop holes in the hunting act and some rogue hunts certainly try to take advantage of them. This is the reason why hunt monitors are always present at some meets but not constantly present at others.


please read page 4 -5... this has been covered if in doubt please read the hunting act. do you hunt?
 
please read page 4 -5... this has been covered if in doubt please read the hunting act. do you hunt?

Excuse me, even if you believe it's already been covered in page four & five, I'm still entitled to reiterate the legalities of hunting with hounds!!!

For your information, I've studied the Burns report and know exactly what's included in the hunting act. Do you not agree that it's illegal to allow a pack of hounds to even chase a fox and also to flush one out with more than two hounds?

I've been on drag hunts in the past and like many others would now consider joining a hunt that keeps within the law. However, if your referring to any type of bloodsport hunting.....then the answer is NO, I've never had the inclination.
 
Well.. this has disintegrated hasn't it... :rolleyes:

Boy am I glad I live in an area where sentimentality and sensitivity are two seperate things and common sense and a sense of own responsibility prevails.. it seems not that many people have the luxury I do..
 
Well I for one am gaining a lot from this thread and like the way it has evolved.

I don't know the details of the act and what's allowed and what isn't.

If this can be laid out so even a dope like me can understand it I'd be grateful :)
 
Well.. this has disintegrated hasn't it... :rolleyes:

Boy am I glad I live in an area where sentimentality and sensitivity are two seperate things and common sense and a sense of own responsibility prevails.. it seems not that many people have the luxury I do..

....moving in next door to BIrish....:)
 
....moving in next door to BIrish....:)


take me take me!! im cheap to keep!

joyscarer this link explaines a bit, and is pretty straight forward to get to grips with, if you google the hunting act 2004 it will give you a ton of info, http://www.defra.gov.uk/rural/hunting/summary.htm

basically the way hunt, hunts is now covered in the law, but hunting is far from banned, theres lots about chasing a fox but nothing about chasing the "scent of a fox"

to be honest even in the old days i would never of wanted to see a fox ripped to bits, theses days we rarely see a fox, im guessing thats also due to the area im in, we tend to be hunting in either open fields, of forest. an intresting fact, more foxes are killed on roads than by a hunt, the number the hunts actually get each year is very minible, nobody considered that when "banning" hunting the little critters
 
i agee with jaydevon and also can i come too.

we have lost too many lambs to these so called cute fluffy creatures for me to be too worried about them now we have to go and sit in the field every night with a gun do dont often get a clean shot. and please dont tell me that mr fox and his little family needed al 100 lambs he killed in 3 weeks!:mad:
im sorry that this is not what the op was asking but im getting fed up with people are all upset about these horrid creatures.

someone with no idea what they were talking about phoned into the radio the other day and said they saw a fox playing with a ewe and her two lambs. saying that he was chasing them and the ewe was chasing the fox. what an idiot. he was trying to get one of the lambs away to kill it.

just my opinion now running away to hide:o
 
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..yet another slant on things

I do also question the wisdom of a hunting ban (and I am neither pro or anti really ;) which then appears to do nothing to regulate the fox population. It may way be illegal to hunt with the dogs, but if it's still legal to kill in other ways where is the incentive for any landowner to allow them to stay on the land? What is stopping them from being wiped out in other ways?

There is a fox who is constantly into our neighbours garden after their pet rabbits, making a hell of a din at 5 every morning. If I had a gun I shoot the little monster myself!!!! :o
 
Sorry for the late reply

I do agree with other posters, the hunt should have warned them, but are you sure that absolutely no warning was given to anyone at your yard?

Yes absolutely no warning was given not even to the famer who is our landlord.
The liveries who were up did have words with them and they did apologise and said they would let us know next time. Hopefully they will keep their word.


Nor do fun rides have dogs, horns and horses that are excited to the max. they tend to be slightly calmer, only in my experience.
Ditto

I have now been told that the hunt made her really excited and jump a fence into another field then snap some electric fencing to go to this other horse and he was really nasty to her and she got herself into a real state as this other horse was constantly kicking/biting at her. She was so upset that this horse was cornering her that no one could get near them. (I think its because this other horse is half wild and it was his territory)
The reason I have her on her own is because she gets bullied etc, so its no good when shes jumping in with other horses.
Now I know its not the Hunts fault if she jumped the fence and did the above however if I knew they were coming I could have either put her in a stable or put her in with my friends nice horse for a few hours.
It would have been nice to have known they were coming.
Hopefully this won't be happening again.

Oh and I am neither for or against hunting not that is matters
 
Sorry for the late reply





I have now been told that the hunt made her really excited and jump a fence into another field then snap some electric fencing to go to this other horse and he was really nasty to her and she got herself into a real state as this other horse was constantly kicking/biting at her. She was so upset that this horse was cornering her that no one could get near them. (I think its because this other horse is half wild and it was his territory)
The reason I have her on her own is because she gets bullied etc, so its no good when shes jumping in with other horses.
Now I know its not the Hunts fault if she jumped the fence and did the above however if I knew they were coming I could have either put her in a stable or put her in with my friends nice horse for a few hours.
It would have been nice to have known they were coming.
Hopefully this won't be happening again.

Oh and I am neither for or against hunting not that is matters

why dont you ask the hunt for a list of dates and places of meets, that way your yard will know for the entire hunting season which days they may be around, and you can all plan so the horses dont get to upset?
 
In a nutshell Joyscarer, the enforcement of the Hunting Act means anyone chasing or killing a wild mammal with dogs are in breach of the law.

Hunting, unless of an exempt form, is illegal.:)

But according to the defra site that's not true as they can flush out (chase) an animal with 2 dogs as jaydevon said previously but as you said the dogs can't kill the animal.

I can see how hard it is to write legislation about hunting given the practicalies of following and enforcing it.
 
imo half the grey areas come into play as the muppet that wrote the hunting act, lke many others had only read press reports etc and had never actully had a days hunting in hes life!

in effect the hunting ban doesnt ruin a days hunting, its much the same as it was 10 years ago, and for the amount of hunts and hunting days there are in the uk, and wales ( dont think scotland is covered by it. not sure about ireland) the actual prosocutions are a handful, and mostley nothing to do with the actual hunt of a fox, more muppets upsetting the sabs...
 
why dont you ask the hunt for a list of dates and places of meets, that way your yard will know for the entire hunting season which days they may be around, and you can all plan so the horses dont get to upset?

Yes I shall :) thanks for the idea
 
an intresting fact, more foxes are killed on roads than by a hunt, the number the hunts actually get each year is very minible, nobody considered that when "banning" hunting the little critters
Actually I raised that precise point when debating the hunting ban before it was enacted. One of the pro-hunting arguments was that the fox population would "explode" if hunting was stopped. (Of course it was never made clear what "explode" actually meant.) My argument was that it doesn't make much of a difference to overall population how many foxes are killed (within quite a wide range) because it will recover to a level set by ecological factors within a year or two anyway. In that respect, traditional hunting is rather ineffective - and, as you say, many more foxes are killed on our roads. However, culling may serve a useful purpose in some localities at certain times to get rid of occasional "rogue" foxes. On the other hand, in other places/times, killing foxes may actually increase the number in an area because territorial ranges may be split and two foxes come to occupy the same area as previously occupied by one. As I recall, no one put forward any facts or arguments to contradict this.

In any case, surely it is obvious that hunts don't want fox numbers to decline - what they want is to maintain the status quo. Far from wanting to stamp out a pest, some hunts are known to have built artificial earths in order to encourage foxes!

(I'm not particularly in favour of hunting myself, but I was dismayed at the sheer amount of time that was wasted on getting this legislation passed - and they still made a hash of it!)

we have lost too many lambs to these so called cute fluffy creatures for me to be too worried about them now we have to go and sit in the field every night with a gun do dont often get a clean shot. and please dont tell me that mr fox and his little family needed al 100 lambs he killed in 3 weeks!:mad:
I'm sorry you lost so many lambs. It sounds like you were unusually unlucky. What percentage of your crop does 100 lambs represent? It's known that foxes will take dead lambs, but of course there's no way of knowing exactly how many of the 100 were dead when they were taken. Have you considered getting a couple of guard llamas? (not joking)

im sorry that this is not what the op was asking but im getting fed up with people are all upset about these horrid creatures.
I don't consider foxes to be either "cute fluffy creatures" or "horrid". Both views put human characteristics on a non-human animal. As far as I am concerned, they are just part of Britain's wildlife.
 
Excuse me, even if you believe it's already been covered in page four & five, I'm still entitled to reiterate the legalities of hunting with hounds!!!

For your information, I've studied the Burns report and know exactly what's included in the hunting act. Do you not agree that it's illegal to allow a pack of hounds to even chase a fox and also to flush one out with more than two hounds?

I've been on drag hunts in the past and like many others would now consider joining a hunt that keeps within the law. However, if your referring to any type of bloodsport hunting.....then the answer is NO, I've never had the inclination.

Crikey, I'm away 24hrs.... a lot of feathers being spat aren't there, and yes you are excused for spitting all your feathers, and if you want to go and pick your dolly up now you're more than welcome :rolleyes:

Oh and you might want to report me, my two savaging labs just chased a fox down my field.......:eek: Infact they do it almost every day because my lovely rural area is littered with them now. Perhaps you might want to come and adopt one of them too...:rolleyes:
 
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