The stupid hunt ....

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Tre said:
ooo i think this thread has gone way of topic, but makes interesting reading, but will no doubt be closed by the end of the day :D

pop corn anyone lol

oh and yes i thought fox hunting was banned too? and every hunt i have seen have been with hounds and not a pack of dogs?

strange old world really
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erm hounds are dogs???
 
i know they are but someone else kinda stated that packs of dogs were banned and not hounds???
 
LOL im sorry, didnt meen to be patronising, hounds are the breed, as you know how ever, terriers jack russles etc will often be used to flush a fox out to be shot, so say you was on a hunt... youd have the pack of hounds, the hounds follow the scent, but when the fox runs into a place where its know it will stay the hounds will be called off, and the small "dogs" sent in, a pack of either dogs or hounds may NOT be allowed to flush out a fox, however 2 dogs may be used to flush.. somebody will be ready to shoot the fox as it comes out...... does that help?
the other method used is a bird of prey.

as i said in one of my previous posts, the actual hunting act is drawn up pretty badley, there are many loop holes,
 
in reply to OP, a three foot high fence is hardly going to keep a horse in if it decides to jump out, maybe you should think about installing higher fencing. The BHS reccomends hieghts of 1.08m-1.20m (3'6 - 3'9) for ponies and 1.20m-1.38 (3'9 - 4'6) for horses. Our fencing is 4'3 wooden posts every 14' with two strands of electric tape, its cheap to erect and maintain especially when compared to the cost of a vets bill...

We had a classic motorbike rally past our filed this morning, over 200 harley davidsons is enough to send any horse loopy but apart from getting sweated up none of our horses were injured, but unlike the hunt we had no idea they were passing today.
I think it is down to the horse owner to be responsible for thier animals welare, if the hunt aren't trespassing whats the problem?
 
Ok so we know the local hunt master AND have peasent shoots on our farm runs and hides from kirby I can't say I support either, but I certainly don't condone them.

The hunt have ALWAYS been pleasant to me. They are not allowed on our land, but do come close and so our horses do get excited. I've come close to them when riding and have always had shouts from them to let me know where exactly they are, make sure I'm in control of my horse, and have stopped to make sure as well.
When they did come on our land (on of the younger dogs got free) it was only a few of the whipper-ins who were incredibly apologetic. I ended up falling off because my horse got incredibly wound up, and they waited until another member from the yard could come to help me, before leaving.

I would never blame the hunt for making the horses tizzy, no different to something else exciting them.
 
The whole fox hunting thing has always been one of my least favourite aspects of the horse world (but lets not start that debate :)) but fortunately the hunt local to my area is a drag hunt. Because of this, they can plan the route and always let the yard owners know if they will be using their land. In fact, me and my friend used to enjoy going up the fields to watch the hunt go by when we were younger.
But, like other people my bad experiences have REALLY put me off the local hunt. I went out riding several years ago with a friend (she's an adult, but was fairly novice at the time) and my sister (she must have been 11 or 12). Now, we knew the hunt was out, but had no idea which area they were in and, after weighing it up, figured we were quite unlikely to meet them. Oh how wrong we were!! We'd been out for about an hour, and were on a quiet country lane that crosses the side of a hill. On one side of the lane there is an enormous field (one of those 'I'd love to gallop there' ones) that slopes away up the hill, and there is no actual fence between them, just a (very) dillapidated stone wall and a slight bank. Well, as we turned a bend in the lane, we realised to our horror that the hunt had lined up at the very end of the field. Well, we stopped for a while, but the hunt seemed to be waiting (naively we assumed for us!) so carried on tentatively. To be honest, there was actually nothing else we could do. Anyway, we got closer and closer and the hunt stayed still, at which we really were convinced they were waiting for us. Of course, we got to about 50 metres from them, and the whole shebang started up with dogs barking and horns blowing and horses galloping.....I swear to God I thought I was gonna die!! So the whole procession came charging towards us, at which point a huge group of dogs actually leapt down onto the road!!! Well, my sister's pony decided he wanted in on the action, and started heading back down the road; my poor poor mare, who has never hunted, practically stood on her head trying to avoid those yowling revolting dogs; and my friend's horse Tanya belied her 26 years by charging off in the OTHER direction. It was not pretty, I tell you, though somehow none of us fell off and my sister managed to convince her pony that following dogs was a BAD idea. Seriously though, how freaking rude was that? It wouldn't have killed them to wait until we'd got passed them - there is no way they couldn't have seen us. We are so lucky as well that we weren't riding big strong types - fortunately none of our horses are the running off type, so we all managed to stop in some way shape or form before things got too dodgy.
So anyway, I definitely DO blame the hunt for upsetting our horses here. We would have been past them in a few minutes, so what on earth were they doing? And it is different to something else exciting the horses - my girl hates quad bikes, but the quads I've met have always waited until I'm well out of the way before charging off.
 
:whipsers: I just wanted to add that i am not anti hunt and hunted with Molly for many years and the hunts i went with were very considerate - but my experience was not a nice one and was it certainly not a given permission to hunt through our turnout fields. Farmer was extremely and upset with what had happened and the good ending is that the hunt now let the yard know at the start of the season when they will be hunting nearby - and do not go through the turnout fields.

Shooting, now thats a different argument i think - i shoot (or did before i became pregnant) and again its about consideration. If the farmer gived you permission to shoot on his land, thats what you do. But hubby and I would always avoid grazing fields or where there were riders clearly visible
 
HashRouge said:
So anyway, I definitely DO blame the hunt for upsetting our horses here. We would have been past them in a few minutes, so what on earth were they doing?.
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Well how were they to know you werent with them and just took a different route to avoid jumping the hedges, etc, which many people DO do :confused:

I wouldn't blame the hunt in that case, you had just as much right to be riding there as the hunt did !
 
I have been lucky to hunt Bramble with some lovely local hunts, they get permission to ride on the fields from the farmers many of which join in the hunt or foot follow (or in their nice landys) Not once did we come too close to horses at anything faster than a slow trot and the hunt had already notified the yards of our coming that way so they were well aware.

The difficulty comes with people who don't understand the hunt and what they do and how they do it judging them, same as anything really ignorance can cause problems. They should not be going through turnout fields that much is simple but any fields farmers have allowed access to is no problem.

I have also been caught by a hunt when out hacking, they also helped assist us past and called the dogs off the scent to allow us safe access, really can't complain. My horses got slightly hyped because it looked like so much fun, but I could only consider myself responsible for my horses behaviour as the hunt cannot control that.

As it is now she has hunted a number of times she is fine with the hunt, she does want to join in but will walk away if asked, most hunts are kind and considerate and could do without being tarred with the same brush as the bad ones. Same as everything with horses, after all we're not all rich snobs as some non horsey people would assume
 
I think the fact that they were all done up in their Sunday best whilst we were in reflective gear and scruffy jods might have been quite a clue. Then the fact that we were on the road, riding towards them when they were all in the field - if we'd been with them, wouldn't they have waited till we were off the road and facing the right direction? Plus, its a hunt done through the pony club, so they ALL know each other. Oh, and how many arabs go hunting (we had two)?
Besides, even if we were with them, how is it normal decent behaviour to come charging towards us whilst we're still on the road heading the other way?
 
I know of three arabs personally that hunt and mine will next year.

I'm sorry but I know of various people who hunt in different attire without the hunt criticising. I feel perhaps because you were frightened by the incident you aren't giving them a fair hearing. It is hard when in a group of horses to hear two others pootling along, also their attention would have been fixated on the dogs picking up the scent. Please don't judge too harshly.
 
ive seen a lot of diffent types out hunting, why shouldnt an arab be seen with a hunt? i have also on 2 occasions been out hacking seen the hunt and just joined in with them for a an hour ( its fab no cap to pay ;)) maybe next time join them for an hour, im sure youd be made very welcome.
 
The way some of these posts read to me are that most hunts are considerate(personally I suspect that this is true bad news is more common than good etc). But when people say that the hunt is never to blame and it's always the owner, then to me this means that the next time that car revs its engine when it passes your horse and scares it ,or those kids throw bangers just remember the posts that say it's the owners responsibility to keep their horse calm, no more blaming bad/dangerous drivers as long as they give you enough space the rest is up to you? After all you need to take precautions and be prepared for all events, such as a hunt charging through the field next to you.

Just the way the post are reading to me, from the bad experiences on here, which I am sure are a rare occurance there are times when the hunt is to blame and it doesn't come down to being pro or anti hunt. I am sure people put the safety of their horses first and if care is taken on both sides then hopefully no one gets hurt :rolleyes:
 
Okay, forget the arab thing then.....but does no-one understand me, they could not have missed us!? We were quite literally right in front of them! I'm finding it hard to describe the lay out of where we were, but it wasn't a case of 'hearing' us cos we really were right in the eye line of the entire hunt.
And Jay, I'd love to join them, but my girlie thinks hedges is for eating :)
 
Cate Ged said:
The way some of these posts read to me are that most hunts are considerate(personally I suspect that this is true bad news is more common than good etc). But when people say that the hunt is never to blame and it's always the owner, then to me this means that the next time that car revs its engine when it passes your horse and scares it ,or those kids throw bangers just remember the posts that say it's the owners responsibility to keep their horse calm, no more blaming bad/dangerous drivers as long as they give you enough space the rest is up to you? After all you need to take precautions and be prepared for all events, such as a hunt charging through the field next to you.

Just the way the post are reading to me, from the bad experiences on here, which I am sure are a rare occurance there are times when the hunt is to blame and it doesn't come down to being pro or anti hunt. I am sure people put the safety of their horses first and if care is taken on both sides then hopefully no one gets hurt :rolleyes:
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Totally agree!
 
Ok I can see this thread being closed due to the un-necessary legalities of hunting being discussed.:rolleyes:

In my view it is your responsibility to make sure your fences are adequate to contain your horses, simple as.

Also how can anyone be else be responsible for what other horses do in a field???:confused:

I have seen horses when on rideouts and eve though we are WALKING by the fields they have went crazy and been galloping about and these are SCHEDULED events.

Bringing in might be a pain yest but so is a horse on box rest or PTS through injury and stubborness. Hope the OP gets things sorted.

Nikki xxxx
 
I don't think you can say they MUST have seen you, i'm sure they were on the look out for something that wasn't a horse.

I have heard of the whole joining the hunt whilst on a hack thing, i might try that.. must be much cheaper lol! Although i have a feeling i would end up just wondering around country roads all day and them not actually come near me...
 
Little.Miss.Duc said:
We don't know when they are coming past!
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Perhaps you should contat the hunt in that case and ask them to give you a bit of a warning if there is any possibility they will be passing nearby. I'm sure they will tell you if they know, you can't expect them just to sspend all their time gong to every single yard and letting everyone know without having been asked.

My also be an idea to get together and discuss the dates and places of meets etc. Local farmers whose land is hunted over will usually know, my hunt always gets permission from landowners before hunting over their land, so farmers are usually the best people to ask as they may have given permission for he hunt to ride on their land.
 
HashRouge said:
Okay, forget the arab thing then.....but does no-one understand me, they could not have missed us!? We were quite literally right in front of them! I'm finding it hard to describe the lay out of where we were, but it wasn't a case of 'hearing' us cos we really were right in the eye line of the entire hunt.
And Jay, I'd love to join them, but my girlie thinks hedges is for eating :)
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lol, honestley give it a go, sinc ethe ban has come in chances are you dont even get to see the fox as the master will hold the field back, and the others go after it, you just stand and wait, hand on my heart you wont see a fox being ripped to pieces, horses soon learn to leave the herd, and long term i personally think its the best education that any type of horse at any age can get,
 
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