The stupid hunt ....

[jaydevon]

In any case, surely it is obvious that hunts don't want fox numbers to decline - what they want is to maintain the status quo. Far from wanting to stamp out a pest, some hunts are known to have built artificial earths in order to encourage foxes!

(I'm not particularly in favour of hunting myself, but I was dismayed at the sheer amount of time that was wasted on getting this legislation passed - and they still made a hash of it!)

I don't consider foxes to be either "cute fluffy creatures" or "horrid". Both views put human characteristics on a non-human animal. As far as I am concerned, they are just part of Britain's wildlife.

i would have to agree with what you said, and yes ive heard about the hunts creating the earths, as much as im for hunting, i would also have to agree that a lot of it is about history, from what we have both said youd have to conclude that hunting is in actual fact a very in-effective way of culling foxes, as much as i love hunting, i also like sitting at my yard and watching our resident fox wandering around, (damn thing is near coming to join us for a bbq) as you said its part of britians wildlife, BUT it is also classed as vermin, they do kill live stock they do carry mange etc. personally imo rather than creating the hunting act that is so full of loop holes, and utter dribble, it would of been more effective to limit the number of days hunts could go out.

still, its a great day out, almost like a funride!

 

[BIrish]

In a nutshell Joyscarer, the enforcement of the Hunting Act means anyone chasing or killing a wild mammal with dogs are in breach of the law.

Not quite true - read it again.

But according to the defra site that's not true as they can flush out (chase) an animal with 2 dogs as jaydevon said previously but as you said the dogs can't kill the animal.

That's right JC.. You can use dogs/hounds to flush but need to shoot it/club it/use a bird of prey or whatever else is handy to kill what you flush.

I can see how hard it is to write legislation about hunting given the practicalies of following and enforcing it.

True. Is totally impractical.

imo half the grey areas come into play as the muppet that wrote the hunting act, lke many others had only read press reports etc and had never actully had a days hunting in hes life!

And IMO had absolutely no idea how the countryside works.

in effect the hunting ban doesnt ruin a days hunting, its much the same as it was 10 years ago,

I don't know about that.. 10 years ago you weren't being filmed by Rentacrowd and chasing a sack over a pre-laid trail.

( dont think scotland is covered by it. not sure about ireland)

Ireland isn't.. it's the land of sense and reason I speak of.. ..

Burness, JD & Zani.. plenty of room over here.. but you'll have to put up with the hunting of foxes, the shooting of rabbits and the taking of no cr@p from horses...

 

[Kc..]

Burness, JD & Zani.. plenty of room over here..

Any room left for me lol?

 

[Yann]

the number the hunts actually get each year is very minible, nobody considered that when "banning" hunting the little critters

Errr, the pro hunt lobby made a huge play of the importance of hunting as a means of pest control at the time, so you can't have it both ways. It always struck me as a daft argument anyway as so little of the countryside is or was actually covered by hunts. And as Francis says, it's a well known fact that fox populations are or were encouraged in hunting country to ensure there was always a good day's sport.

If I had a gun I shoot the little monster myself!!!!

You'd be perfectly entitled to. Ironic that the hunts also made a big play about how ineffective shooting foxes was, yet that's exactly what they are doing now on a regular basis

why dont you ask the hunt for a list of dates and places of meets, that way your yard will know for the entire hunting season which days they may be around, and you can all plan so the horses dont get to upset?

I think it would actually be common courtesy for the hunt to be doing that themselves.

It's the 21st century, and there's no need to try and cling on to outdated and rather barbaric traditions. You can still have a great day out in the country on horseback with all the trappings without killing anything. That's exactly what I'm off to do this weekend. Tally ho!

 

[jaydevon]

Not quite true - read it again.


Burness, JD & Zani.. plenty of room over here.. but you'll have to put up with the hunting of foxes, the shooting of rabbits and the taking of no cr@p from horses...

pmsl, id love it! grew up lamping rabbits, hunting with ferrets etc, am used to taking no crap from horses (and men) and as for hunting foxes.... let me at em! ( u need a lodger right?? )

 

[Francis Burton]

i would have to agree with what you said, and yes ive heard about the hunts creating the earths, as much as im for hunting, i would also have to agree that a lot of it is about history, from what we have both said youd have to conclude that hunting is in actual fact a very in-effective way of culling foxes, as much as i love hunting, i also like sitting at my yard and watching our resident fox wandering around, (damn thing is near coming to join us for a bbq) as you said its part of britians wildlife, BUT it is also classed as vermin, they do kill live stock they do carry mange etc.

As vermin, they are quite useful in reducing the numbers of other vermin that have a significant economic impact on farming - namely rabbits!

personally imo rather than creating the hunting act that is so full of loop holes, and utter dribble, it would of been more effective to limit the number of days hunts could go out.

I'm not at all convinced that the practices we have now have materially lessened the suffering of foxes, which was the original stated intention of the act.

still, its a great day out, almost like a funride!

That I can believe!

 

[Francis Burton]

and the taking of no cr@p from horses...

Eh?

 

[mikh]

Burness, JD & Zani.. plenty of room over here.. but you'll have to put up with the hunting of foxes, the shooting of rabbits and the taking of no cr@p from horses...

me pick meeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!

 

[jaydevon]

its hard to argue the suffering of the fox, if it gets knocked over by a car its left to die a pretty nasty death, maybe it sure be law that its killed proberley,... thats not going to happen,

one of the agruments will always be that the fox doesnt really have and predetors barring us humans, so in effect not part of the natural food chain (unless already dead and vairious things have a munch on it)

the critter that lives in my field i think is actually friends with the damn rabbits, it sure as hell doesnt eat them. its like a breeding farm.

i think hunting is a topic that will never win an arguement for either side, yes our hunts get monitored, we often have the police helicopter about, we dont tend to have any sabs turn up as the time and actual meet is kept under lock and key to prevent this, so really i personally have nothing to moan about, the 2 hunts i go out with are, fast, over some hair raising ground always a massive turnout, no snobs about, as were trotting up lanes etc we will always be having a chat, me and my horses personally gain from it.

ive never yet seen a fox ripped to shreads, so cannot comment. but i will continue to support hunting.

 

[BIrish]

Eh?

Us Irish see.. with our bits of blue hose pipe..

 

[Kc..]

Our resident foxes would much rather eat the yard chickens than the hundreds of rabbits running around everywhere. I've never seen rabbits like it. We have millions of grey squirrels to but they eat the conkers raster han even Nimby does!

And yeah Birish i can tell that just by looking at Stanely!

 

[mikh]

Us Irish see.. with our bits of blue hose pipe..

Ohhh yes how could we forget .... BIrish I think you should go fox hunting with the bits of blue pipe, quick whack over the head! - mind you I bet that would get banned pretty quickly as well!

 

[BIrish]

( u need a lodger right?? )

.. do you muck out and cook ?

Mikh - you'll have to get in line although if you bring your own blue pipe... that's different..

 

[jaydevon]

.. do you muck out and cook ?

Mikh - you'll have to get in line

oh yes... muckout horses and house,,, only make horses beds though not humans,

can cook, the freshley shot bunnies.... sorry rabbits

 

[BIrish]

And yeah Birish i can tell that just by looking at Stanely!

He's a poor, cowed, beaten animal that one... All hail the alkathene pipe!

Ohhh yes how could we forget .... BIrish I think you should go fox hunting with the bits of blue pipe, quick whack over the head! - mind you I bet that would get banned pretty quickly as well!

... It's crooo-well that is.. poor Charlie...

 

[Yann]

Why the implication that anyone who opposes hunting lets their horses walk all over them too?

Your bravado is commendable

 

[kirby]

I really dont understand why humans want to chase any animal,and to then torture them, when its is their right to live!!!

And the animals being ripped to shreds, all you have to do is look on the net for this kind of barbaric murder!

its as bad as the people in forein countries skinning cats and dogs alive for their fur!!!

 

[Kc..]

Just when i thought a hunting thread wasn't guna turn silly...

 

[mikh]

I really dont understand why humans want to chase any animal,and to then torture them, when its is their right to live!!!

And the animals being ripped to shreds, all you have to do is look on the net for this kind of barbaric murder!

its as bad as the people in forein countries skinning cats and dogs alive for their fur!!!

next you will want to ban the lions from hunting the zebras barbarians!

 

[jaydevon]

I really dont understand why humans want to chase any animal,and to then torture them, when its is their right to live!!!

And the animals being ripped to shreds, all you have to do is look on the net for this kind of barbaric murder!

its as bad as the people in forein countries skinning cats and dogs alive for their fur!!!

the only animal i chase Would torture and rip to shreds is my husband!

can i just point out the the animals/food products we use and medicines have made MANY animals life a misery but we continue to use them, i dont think you can condone one thing, but continue to give a use to animals being eaten, used for testing etc.

am off out now peeps... play nicely *is on way to birish*