Coronavirus

[MrA]

Really interestingly (and I'm not sure if this is the right time to bring it up so apologies for this going a little off topic or I may have mentioned before) we are studying one health at uni at the moment. Which looks at how things like this spread (between humans and animals) and ways of preventing them, before we are at this stage obviously.

There was a virus being transmitted from bats to horses and onto humans. They wanted to kill all the bats but instead some bright spark managed to invent a vaccine for the horses. So now they don't catch the disease and so neither do humans.

Anyway so back onto topic, yes at the moment the mortality rate of this virus seems higher than that of flu/ the last pandemic in 2009 but we can't rely on that data really as its ongoing and so that leaves everyone guessing really, which isn't very reassuring

 

[newforest]

I think with everything you get a mix of people.
There are people that are not bothered.
There are people who are and take precautions.
There are then those who flap like headless chickens.

Imo we do not need to panic, but I think we could all be a bit more thoughtful to how our actions could impact someone else.
When we all wished everyone a happy new year two months ago, nobody was thinking well if I catch a virus and die this year so be it!
The difference between this and flu I think I have said before, we have a vaccine that is meant to help reduce symptoms, flu tends to pick the vulnerable, this virus hasnt got a vaccine, it isn't just picking the vulnerable??

Catching it actually doesn't concern me, I haven't been overseas. I am not a social bod so I haven't been anywhere like the cinema etc etc.
But, I can't imagine being taken to isolation and shut in for two weeks. You are away from family and friends, your life. You can't see the faces of the those treating you and you won't know if the four walls will be the last thing you see.
I would think those 19 currently with it must be scared, because I would be.

 

[Mary Poppins]

I am not too worried about it to be honest. There is nothing I can do about it anyway and I only have a limited capacity for things to worry about.

 

[diplomaticandtactful]

Do you supply the conference or hold it.
You may not need to issuing refunds depending on what is in the contracts.

We supply to the organisers, so basically the orders they were going to place with us this week have just been pulled

 

[Bodshi]

At least some folks are taking it a bit seriously, two of my conferences have cancelled now, one yesterday one today so that's a nice bit of this month's income gone.

And that's going to be an issue for so many people if everyone stops travelling/attending mass gatherings etc. We might not care about the big companies losing revenue but at the end of the line there's the employees who will lose their jobs and the small businesses that could go under. I don't think Greece has much of an economy outside tourism.

Imagine a world without travel, we'd have to produce our own food and fuel and wouldn't necessarily be able to obtain all the materials we need to maintain roads/infrastructures etc. Maybe it's the shake up the planet needs to save us from destroying it but it would be a tough adjustment to make.

 

[Trewsers]

We were booked to go to Portugal in early May, we’ve cancelled, yes we’ve lost the money and yes we both work hard for it, BUT, I won’t risk either mine or Mr KR’s life for the sake of losing some money, when you get to our age you start to realise you are not immortal and what time you have here is worth much more than cold hard cash.
I can and do understand that some people may think that I’m worrying for no good reason, I appreciate I could die in a car crash on my way home from work, but those are calculated risks, coronavirus is far too big a risk for either of us to take lightly and as others have said, who knows who you’ll be standing next too in an airport terminal or where they have just returned from. Not to mention being stranded on lock down in a hotel somewhere with potentially someone in the next room who has it, look how fast it travelled through the cruise ship that was quarantined in Japan, over 600 people tested positive for it after about a week of close contact with each other. No thanks.

I would have done the same as you - I know the money loss is annoying but I'd rather play safe. I think you're doing the right thing for definites.

 

[Trewsers]

Just wanted to add that my colleague is mid 60s so I don't think it's an age thing haha. It's just easy to be detached from it all especially when you're still hearing adverts every 2 seconds on the radio advertising holidays you can win. Makes it all seem like we are going to be fine and yet in the media you read ' human race will be halved' or things along that jist. If the powers that be really cared about 'us' then everything would already be restricted surely? Or the government guidance would be more than just catch your sneezes in tissues and wash your hands alot. It's just all so confusing!

I think the advice videos that the NHS and WHO are giving out are played down deliberately, to avoid panic. Yes it doesn't seem much does it - being told to use a tissue or sneeze into your elbow?! But if they started telling everyone to go and purchase a grade one face mask that likely would deflect anything from radioactivity to plutonium then they're going to have mass panic and every crazy on the planet looting and becoming chaotic.

 

[Trewsers]

I am not too worried about it to be honest. There is nothing I can do about it anyway and I only have a limited capacity for things to worry about.

I wish I could be a bit more like that. But I do worry and worry. I worry about my mother, she's getting on in years and alone.

 

[Trewsers]

I think with everything you get a mix of people.
There are people that are not bothered.
There are people who are and take precautions.
There are then those who flap like headless chickens.

Imo we do not need to panic, but I think we could all be a bit more thoughtful to how our actions could impact someone else.
When we all wished everyone a happy new year two months ago, nobody was thinking well if I catch a virus and die this year so be it!
The difference between this and flu I think I have said before, we have a vaccine that is meant to help reduce symptoms, flu tends to pick the vulnerable, this virus hasnt got a vaccine, it isn't just picking the vulnerable??

Catching it actually doesn't concern me, I haven't been overseas. I am not a social bod so I haven't been anywhere like the cinema etc etc.
But, I can't imagine being taken to isolation and shut in for two weeks. You are away from family and friends, your life. You can't see the faces of the those treating you and you won't know if the four walls will be the last thing you see.
I would think those 19 currently with it must be scared, because I would be.

I think the only good thing about being in isolation maybe - is that least you'd be in the right place to get treatment? Rather than somewhere like at home - and if you did happen to come out in it badly and need medical intervention then surely you'd be in the right spot? But I do know what you mean about the four walls being the last thing you see - not a pleasant thought at all...............................

 

[Trewsers]

I sometimes wonder if I'd be better burying my head over this.
I've had nothing but bad dreams lately (that could be over heating due to the old menopause though). I keep having terrible nightmares where everything I love gets hurt. Last night poor Storm couldn't walk at all and I couldn't find the vets number and my hands wouldn't work pressing the numbers into my phone

 

[newforest]

And that's going to be an issue for so many people if everyone stops travelling/attending mass gatherings etc. We might not care about the big companies losing revenue but at the end of the line there's the employees who will lose their jobs and the small businesses that could go under. I don't think Greece has much of an economy outside tourism.

Imagine a world without travel, we'd have to produce our own food and fuel and wouldn't necessarily be able to obtain all the materials we need to maintain roads/infrastructures etc. Maybe it's the shake up the planet needs to save us from destroying it but it would be a tough adjustment to make.

I don't travel overseas so my world is already there.
We can still export and import though, the virus isn't on things, it's between people.

We are now too reliant on the next day culture.
Imagine if, makes me think back to how we used to do things. We didn't import all these wonderful fruits you see in the supermarkets, because you didn't have all the supermarkets. We didn't die. It was just out of season and not there.
Dinner was meat and two veg.

Imagine if food got put onto rationing. Because a high % of what we eat isn't needed.

 

[newforest]

I sometimes wonder if I'd be better burying my head over this.
I've had nothing but bad dreams lately (that could be over heating due to the old menopause though). I keep having terrible nightmares where everything I love gets hurt. Last night poor Storm couldn't walk at all and I couldn't find the vets number and my hands wouldn't work pressing the numbers into my phone

That's your subconscious sorting through the rubbish for you. Don't take on my fear from my post.

 

[Trewsers]

That's your subconscious sorting through the rubbish for you. Don't take on my fear from my post.

It's weird because whenever I'm worried about something these days it nearly always makes me dream about Storm and I guess because she already has a bad leg I worry over that long term. I was awfully glad to see her bright eyed and bushy tailed this morning lol

 

[MrA]

I think this is really good, explains why the death rate is currently quite a high 1%. Could be higher, could be lower. But it's hopefully positive and shows that it isn't really much worse from flu and that the death rate is less than 1%. Or hopefully anyway

 

[Jane&Ziggy]

There's been a case now ("Coronavirus in Surrey" on our doorstep, only 15 miles away. Lots of people from that town visit our cafe. I think I'm going to have to send an all-staff bulletin reminding them to wash their hands more times than they think possible, and use the tissues which I am going to be stashing behind the counter.

I think it's funny that face masks and anti bacterial gel are selling out. Both are ineffective against this infection, which is viral. I just roll my eyes.

 

[horseandgoatmom]

I don't go far and I'm careful but I'm worried.
It's the irresponsible people that will get others infected.
I have hand sanitizer in the cars and today
Almost every place was sold out.
I did manage to find some and stock up.
BUT IT'S UNCLEAR IF IT EVEN WORKS FIR THIS BUG.

THIS IS a WAKE UP CALL.. to how much actually comes out of China.

Ive been stocking up on some things.

I personally think unnecessary travel should STOP.

My friend is flying to Boston from upper New York State then taking an airport shuttle to
Framingham Ma.
She is going to a funeral.
She was SOOOOOOO la te da at the airport risks.. and a shuttle with people from God knows where.
I have no intentions of trying to meet up with her..

I always have practiced especially during
Flu seasons but mostly anytime.

Actively not getting into line at a store where i see someone visibly sick.

I can't control what I don't see the last 10 people at that grocery counter. but I can help myself to stay away when I do see
Someone or the cashier sick.

I think the Olympics should be cancelled
They will be packed in like sardines
In the Olympic villages. It just takes
One person to infect many then
They take it back to every country on the planet.

AND SELF QUARRENTINE IS NONSENCE

 

[newforest]

There's been a case now ("Coronavirus in Surrey" on our doorstep, only 15 miles away. Lots of people from that town visit our cafe. I think I'm going to have to send an all-staff bulletin reminding them to wash their hands more times than they think possible, and use the tissues which I am going to be stashing behind the counter.

I think it's funny that face masks and anti bacterial gel are selling out. Both are ineffective against this infection, which is viral. I just roll my eyes.

This is off the NHS website.

"wash your hands with soap and water often – use hand sanitiser gel if soap and water are not available"

This is below the we don't really know how it spreads.

 

[Trewsers]

This is off the NHS website.

"wash your hands with soap and water often – use hand sanitiser gel if soap and water are not available"

This is below the we don't really know how it spreads.

I looked on the NHS site and it said that about soap and water and hand gel. I looked on the WHO one too. It's droplet infection hence telling people to stand a minimum distance away from people if you can. But also spread through touch like normal flu is. I guess the take home message is wash hands and don't go near people with a cough - I try and do that anyways.

 

[Trewsers]

I don't go far and I'm careful but I'm worried.
It's the irresponsible people that will get others infected.
I have hand sanitizer in the cars and today
Almost every place was sold out.
I did manage to find some and stock up.
BUT IT'S UNCLEAR IF IT EVEN WORKS FIR THIS BUG.

THIS IS a WAKE UP CALL.. to how much actually comes out of China.

Ive been stocking up on some things.

I personally think unnecessary travel should STOP.

My friend is flying to Boston from upper New York State then taking an airport shuttle to
Framingham Ma.
She is going to a funeral.
She was SOOOOOOO la te da at the airport risks.. and a shuttle with people from God knows where.
I have no intentions of trying to meet up with her..

I always have practiced especially during
Flu seasons but mostly anytime.

Actively not getting into line at a store where i see someone visibly sick.

I can't control what I don't see the last 10 people at that grocery counter. but I can help myself to stay away when I do see
Someone or the cashier sick.

I think the Olympics should be cancelled
They will be packed in like sardines
In the Olympic villages. It just takes
One person to infect many then
They take it back to every country on the planet.

AND SELF QUARRENTINE IS NONSENCE

Yes I steer clear of coughers that are on the tills. At the best of times I don't want a cold.

 

[Jane&Ziggy]

This is off the NHS website.

"wash your hands with soap and water often – use hand sanitiser gel if soap and water are not available"

This is below the we don't really know how it spreads.

Yes, if soap and water are unavailable. NB this is alcohol based gel. Most people buying antibacterial stuff don't buy the alcohol based.