The stupid hunt ....

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Birish i have to say i do agree. If they come on your land when they aren't supposed to (which as far as i'm aware is a rare thing) then yes they are in the wrong and should be held responsible, just like any trespaser.

But yes you wouldn't complain to a Field with XC jumps in that had horse galloping round over the jumps would you? Which is essentially the same thing, they aren't trespassing they are a purely outside influence and it is upto the horses owner to deal with it effectively.

i never complain about getting mine in if the hunt is coming past, it's upto me to make sure i am in no situation to cause myself problems with the horses when hey come past. Not for them to change there route just because someone didn't want to bring there horses in...

In my opinion anyway.
 
Not the same atall, and where |I live, the hunt regularly goes where it is not supposed to. And yes I would be furious if I had to move my horses because of a hunt. A farmer with a combine would not have the same effect as a pack of horses, neither would single horses going round an xc course. Also, my experience of the hunt near me is that they are arrogant beyond belief and show no one any respect and they do and go where they want.
 
poppy 99 said:
Not the same atall, and where |I live, the hunt regularly goes where it is not supposed to. And yes I would be furious if I had to move my horses because of a hunt. A farmer with a combine would not have the same effect as a pack of horses, neither would single horses going round an xc course. Also, my experience of the hunt near me is that they are arrogant beyond belief and show no one any respect and they do and go where they want.
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not all of them...
And i didn't mean a single horse, ok another example a funride that runs past your field? Would you leave your horse out with groups of horses galloping past?

I went on a funride and someones horse was running up and down the field because there were horses galloping over jumps next to it, so is that the organisers fault?
 
Though I've thankfully never had to experience the hunt, they do seem inconsiderate and I really don't see why people should change their routine because a couple of people on horses fancy going flat out past them.

They shouldn't stop agree with that, but Christ from the number of people or horse that have/could have been injured surely they could slow down abit.

I do think the examples given weren't really relevant and I too have a shooting range above me and yes the horses are pretty used too them by now but they are hugely inconsiderate and I would like too shoot all of them :D. My OH's father was riding on his own land when they started shooting with no warning, not on their set day which caused his horse too bolt and him to pull his groin not nice. They bowl up whenever they fancy meaning I can't ride etc, horse can't go in a certain field, give us no notice/ warning, so in away I understand how you feel and would probably be standing there wishing I could murder everyone of them.
 
poppy 99 said:
Not the same atall, and where |I live, the hunt regularly goes where it is not supposed to. And yes I would be furious if I had to move my horses because of a hunt. A farmer with a combine would not have the same effect as a pack of horses, neither would single horses going round an xc course. Also, my experience of the hunt near me is that they are arrogant beyond belief and show no one any respect and they do and go where they want.
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Agree with that.And living in rural leicestershire, my experience too. Neighbour who's vast garden was filled with exotic plants and pond filled with over £20,000 worth of Koi, had the hunt charge through his garden. Years of work down the drain. Apology ? Nope. I've met more community spirit and good old fashioned humility from scramblers and quads out in the countryside than from the hunt.
 
Ok how about a group of scrambler bikes that have permission to go over certain areas in the country, they don't warn you where they will be next and before you know it you are at work and they are have a moto x near your field. Your horses go scatty what do you do? Sit back and say ok I will keep them in half the week on the off chance that these bikes might come near my land,all very well but what if you DON'T have stables, your horse isn't good/fit in a stable, do you decide to ask and EXPECT to be told in future when this will be happening near you what if they don't and the same thing happens next month,or be shocked, upset and really annoyed and come onto a forum to say that you are upset because your horses life has been put at risk in this way?

Yes the hunt can carry on and if done in a responsible way then no problems, however if horses escape then they do need to take some amount of the responsibilty even if it's just to slow down near livestock, I have to slow my car down and wait for the hunt I don't fly by tooting my horn so they maybe need to show the same respect for other people.

The countryside is there for lots of different uses, however people need to be sensible and safe in what they do I could imagine the reaction that we would have gotten if we had left loose fencing/dangerous material, on our own land, in the way of the hunt who were not even meant to be there I don't think they would have quietly nodded their heads and said 'yes our own faults, how silly we didn't have permission to be here got what we deserved now lets phone the vet'.
 
Lol Cate Ged,
I'd have done that to, the hunt that laughed at you and nearly killed you mind. Among other things...:p
Doesn't take alot of effort to slow down does it, if I thought I was putting someones horse in danger I'd be horrified and would do everything in my power too make sure I wasn't putting myself in that position. I'd like too think a fellow horse owner would do the same. I doubt they'd be quite so blase if it were their horse that got injured.
 
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not all of them...
And i didn't mean a single horse, ok another example a funride that runs past your field? Would you leave your horse out with groups of horses galloping past?

I went on a funride and someones horse was running up and down the field because there were horses galloping over jumps next to it, so is that the organisers fault?
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Again not the same, this is possibly a stream of small groups of riders at varying paces, a hunt is a pack alltogether and riders on fun rides are not as arrogant as the hunt!
 
Asima said:
Though I've thankfully never had to experience the hunt, they do seem inconsiderate and I really don't see why people should change their routine because a couple of people on horses fancy going flat out past them.

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Sorry, but no not all hunts are inconsiderate:o Please don`t shoot me down (i`m not out to start a debate) - where i hunt, they are very considerate, we always take into account people`s land..........., things were much more tranquil before Mr Blair took charge.........:).........runs and hides:)
 
If they had not informed people living in the local area of what would be happening, and if those people taking part in the fun ride, when seeing this horse did not slow down in an attempt to help calm the situation, then yes, sorry but I would blame those involved.
 
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Flash Harry said:
Sorry, but no not all hunts are inconsiderate:o Please don`t shoot me down (i`m not out to start a debate) - where i hunt, they are very considerate, we always take into account people`s land..........., things were much more tranquil before Mr Blair took charge.........:).........runs and hides:)
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Agree... all the hunts i have been on have been fantastic and are nothing but conciderate... because it's the landowners that make hunting possible, so they wouldn't be stupid/arrogant to the people they need, i think those with bad experiences have been very unlucky. :o

**Runs screaming with arms flaling away from the laptop and takes a G.I.Jojo leap behind the sofa Flash Harry is now hiding behind!!** :D
 
What route? how can they plan where they ride/end up? who do you let know where they will be riding that day? there is only one person that can answer that!!!! Freddie Fox:eek:
 
I'm getting confused now.. :) .. this thread is/was not about the hunt being in the wrong place.. the OP stated the hunt was passing. Not trespassing.. Unfortunately her horse jumped two fences .. but the hunt was not trespassing... or in the field with the horses.

Now - if the hunt was trespassing then that is a whole different kettle of fish if they cause an accident or damage by being where they shouldn't be.. the point I was trying to make is - why should the hunt be responsible for other peoples horses when they are passing ?

Asima - I feel your pain re the shooting guys are a pain sometimes but tbh after the horses got used to it I barely even take any notice now.. I ride etc still. They were out shooting rabbits at dusk in the fields behind our school the other night when my non-riding OH was riding my baby TB unattached! .. horse takes no notice.. It'd be nice if they told us though :) .. they are a friendly bunch but don't see my horses as their responsibility - why should they ? As long as they don't actually shoot one ..
 
Cate Ged said:
Nor do fun rides have dogs, horns and horses that are excited to the max. they tend to be slightly calmer, only in my experience.;)
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Really? All the hunts I've been on everyone's been far more in control than the fun rides I've been on!

I do agree with other posters, the hunt should have wanred them, but are you sure that absolutely no warning was given to anyone at your yard?

In my experience, our hunt are usually polite to most peopel, it's actually silly little things like hounds being called dogs etc. that tend to annoy people and get the bad reactions. But on the whole everyone I've been out hunting with has been very polite to local people etc. and nearby yards have always been asked and wanred if e are riding past. I know that some hunts are less considerate than others though, but don't feel it's fair to tar them all with the same brush.
 
skips and soda said:
Really? All the hunts I've been on everyone's been far more in control than the fun rides I've been on!

I do agree with other posters, the hunt should have wanred them, but are you sure that absolutely no warning was given to anyone at your yard?

In my experience, our hunt are usually polite to most peopel, it's actually silly little things like hounds being called dogs etc. that tend to annoy people and get the bad reactions. But on the whole everyone I've been out hunting with has been very polite to local people etc. and nearby yards have always been asked and wanred if e are riding past. I know that some hunts are less considerate than others though, but don't feel it's fair to tar them all with the same brush.
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Thank you, you`re the same neck of the woods as me - yipee - totally agree,don`t tar everyone with the same brush:):)
 
The o/p doesn't say if she was aware that the hunt would be near by that day or not. What has happened is that other people who have has similar experiences have commented on what has happened to them. My experience of the local hunt was only my one experience, at no point would I say that all hunts are the same in fact with a different master the hunt near me is more than likely very different.

I think that everyone needs to be repectful towards others and their property, that means that the man on the scary bike slows down to let you pass, or that sports car doesn't rev his engine. It also means that hunts/fun rides/ shoots etc. let people know when they will be about and therefor allow others the curtisy of making an informed choice about the safest way to deal with this.

I am sure that some most hunts and funrides are well organised and that most people are considerate to others as I said I talked about my personal experience and was not out to tar all huunts with the same brush I assure you.

As for people getting upset at hounds being called dogs, I appoligise that was me, however as hounds are a type of dog it was not deliberatly inflamatory :)
 
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Flash Harry said:
Sorry, but no not all hunts are inconsiderate:o Please don`t shoot me down (i`m not out to start a debate) - where i hunt, they are very considerate, we always take into account people`s land..........., things were much more tranquil before Mr Blair took charge.........:).........runs and hides:)
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It's nice to know some are considerate :D, just going on what I've heard really not just on here but in general, wasn't meant meant to include all hunts just the ones I've heard about.

BIrish, they shoot next too the only flat field I have *evils* they're friendly when they want to be. But after I booked a day off work (specifically as I knew they wouldn't be there) to ride and school etc after weeks of crap weather, they showed up, when I politely asked what they were doing there on that day and when they would be leaving. I got dirty looks and rude responses. So I'm afraid a feeling of resentment has started. I know it's not their responsibility but it's just common curtsy and concern for the animals welfare, that's my bugbear, esp as they take first time shooters up there.
 
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the hunt i ride with are always considerate and polite at every meet ive been to.

my youngster had an experiance with the hunt going through the woods at the botttom of the field. he was in but could see them and yes he did get himself into a state and i had to get the vet out but i felt and still feel that its not the hunts fault as the were not on our land so as far as im concerned s**t happens but it was not their fault end of.
 
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