ok , they moved us to the diary area ! but where back ! anybody new please read the other post first,and join in where all here to help, with pony with laminits..
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laminitis now abscess 2
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B Hell Tracey it took me ages to find us again, now we have 2 threads to keep up with, I am getting on you know - you little Rebel you
Going to bed back in morning for updates , hope you and Bobs ok
Lx
Fantastic.... this lammi thread was our lifeline... any one in any doubt of lammi at any stage, please join in... the ideas, thoughts, recommendations, support are worth their weight in gold.. please keep it going... (in memory of Lucy if nothing else x)
ok everyone were here to talk and help
hope all hoofs are well, bobs is doing well, walked in and out great. out of boots the other day, with ground being soft, but today sun out and dry up ground, so hes been in boots today,but he ok.
see all in morin for updates.
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hope all hoofs are well, bobs is doing well, walked in and out great. out of boots the other day, with ground being soft, but today sun out and dry up ground, so hes been in boots today,but he ok.
see all in morin for updates.
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Vicky now in starvation paddock until the grass in the new field goes down, even in here I am muzzling her - she totally hates it - have to put a headcollar on top as she gets it off!! I'm hating doing this all over again, but I know what the outcome is if I don't..... I',m feeding the 'Lammi prone' as well.
So odd as she is carrying no weight, has no crest etc. I saw my farrier yesterday he had 5 go down with it last week, ALL like Vicky - so signs of. He set the vets are baffled - it appears its not so much the grass here, maybe atmospheric???????????
Off to to sort them out now then to work...look in later- its raining and warm here
So odd as she is carrying no weight, has no crest etc. I saw my farrier yesterday he had 5 go down with it last week, ALL like Vicky - so signs of. He set the vets are baffled - it appears its not so much the grass here, maybe atmospheric???????????
Off to to sort them out now then to work...look in later- its raining and warm here
Vicky now in starvation paddock until the grass in the new field goes down, even in here I am muzzling her - she totally hates it - have to put a headcollar on top as she gets it off!! I'm hating doing this all over again, but I know what the outcome is if I don't..... I',m feeding the 'Lammi prone' as well.
So odd as she is carrying no weight, has no crest etc. I saw my farrier yesterday he had 5 go down with it last week, ALL like Vicky - so signs of. He set the vets are baffled - it appears its not so much the grass here, maybe atmospheric???????????
Off to to sort them out now then to work...look in later- its raining and warm here
morin all, do hope vicky ok this morin, the lammi-prone will take time to set in but it will start to work, its put bobs on an even keel, hes still eating hay in paddock, there is very little grass there, x its just not fair, when your doing everythink right.
morin lin.. where here
hows acorn doing this morin good i hope! and how are you? bobs been fine, just going to him now so look back in in abit .. rainning and warm here... T XX
Vicky now in starvation paddock until the grass in the new field goes down, even in here I am muzzling her - she totally hates it - have to put a headcollar on top as she gets it off!! I'm hating doing this all over again, but I know what the outcome is if I don't..... I',m feeding the 'Lammi prone' as well.
So odd as she is carrying no weight, has no crest etc. I saw my farrier yesterday he had 5 go down with it last week, ALL like Vicky - so signs of. He set the vets are baffled - it appears its not so much the grass here, maybe atmospheric???????????
Off to to sort them out now then to work...look in later- its raining and warm here
mmm - makes you wonder if the volcanic ash has anything to do with it? everywhere got a thin layer didn't it?
Acorn is okay on soft but still iffy on off fore on roads, hes not too bad with his boots on, but he found the field hard going yesterday without his boots, its rock hard and almost bare for obvious reasons, the other two have nearly topped a small area off which will have more covering so hopefully can get him onto that, no pulses or heat so thats good, but down to 1/2 a day, hes in today cause it going to rain all day, not that wet would worry him, but it will savehis paddock paddling and he can rest that leg a bit, I walked him out this morning and will do same again tonight when I get back. He's happy enough in himself, he can go back out tomorrow.
Life hardly seems fair at times does it Debbie, you had enough with Lucy and now having to manage Vicky - at least this time around you have been there and done it so know how to deal and what to expect - although suspect we will never ever know everything about this, twists and turns seem to be the norm for them once they have had it, at the end of the day I suppose its finding what works for them preventative wise, I am still working on it , getting him back sound and then hopefully next winter from the experiences of the last two I can prevent another, I can only pray and hope.
anyway best get some work done,
hope Bobs is well today - back later for any updates
Lx
Morning all, left Comp on overnight so thought would catch up whilst in.
Hope everyone is safe and well, how are Vicky and Bobs today?
Acorn in yesterday, we didn't get much rain , its made very little difference just softened the top of the ground but we are now due hot weather so no doubt it will all harden up again. Acorn much the same last night when I went, walked him out up the road a short distance without his boots, a little better on that foot but not ready for the stint up to the field yet by any means. Last couple of days he has wiped up all his feed including the nuts he usually leaves and not as picky with his hay so thats a good sign with him, he was much better coming out of the stable this morning and walking up the concrete yard, hes sound on the grass and was paddling around his field quite happily when I left him, only on 1/4 bute now night and day , will try and get him off it by the weekend, will see how it goes, the test will be when hes been on his legs all day tonight. Have ordered some more pads for his boots so they should be here today, have gone for the hard ones this time, more to lift his feet and give some support than anything else, so once I have those I will try him out with his boots again.
anyway best go and get ready for work, back in later for updates
Lx
Hope everyone is safe and well, how are Vicky and Bobs today?
Acorn in yesterday, we didn't get much rain , its made very little difference just softened the top of the ground but we are now due hot weather so no doubt it will all harden up again. Acorn much the same last night when I went, walked him out up the road a short distance without his boots, a little better on that foot but not ready for the stint up to the field yet by any means. Last couple of days he has wiped up all his feed including the nuts he usually leaves and not as picky with his hay so thats a good sign with him, he was much better coming out of the stable this morning and walking up the concrete yard, hes sound on the grass and was paddling around his field quite happily when I left him, only on 1/4 bute now night and day , will try and get him off it by the weekend, will see how it goes, the test will be when hes been on his legs all day tonight. Have ordered some more pads for his boots so they should be here today, have gone for the hard ones this time, more to lift his feet and give some support than anything else, so once I have those I will try him out with his boots again.
anyway best go and get ready for work, back in later for updates
Lx
morin all, bobs sounds like acorn, ok on grass but slow on hard ground, bobs is fine, bit slow y-day because he was still asleep when i got there at 9? so when he got up his legs where very stiff, but once out he looked fine, hope vicky is feeling better today. going to get ready to go to bob so will pop back in later.
tracyx
Vicky has now worked out that the muzzle is on to stay and she can't get it off! BUT despite an awful lot of trying she still can't work out how to nibble with it on, so just walks around her patch allday
It makes me so sad to see her like this, but I know we have NO choice....
The ground is like concrete despite the heavy rainfall yesterday and its been boiling all day here! Hope all hoofs are safe x
It makes me so sad to see her like this, but I know we have NO choice....The ground is like concrete despite the heavy rainfall yesterday and its been boiling all day here! Hope all hoofs are safe x
I always follow your threads but rarely if ever post...
I am really interestedbut volcanic ash comment... even if it was made in jest - I must look at when she first went foot sore... Im sure it was similar times
Should probably add my tuppence from Madam! She is doing ok, still short at the front, rode out 4-5miles last week with no further issues, and rode out this week but got off half way as she became more than just short (stumbling and unlevel at points). She was "sound" by time we walked back to box. And returned home and stood on the hardcore instead of going off grazing!!!! So she cant have been hurting that bad.
Got a new trimmer out tomorrow, and having picked up all four feet perfectly for past few weeks (finally!!!! work has paid off!!!) She refused to let me pick them up at all tonight, not even fronts. Won in the end but took FOREVER - was reluctant to tie her up though as worried it would undo all the work Ive done. So we shall see how much of a nightmare she creates tomorrow. Going to get her some boots too - hopefully get some fitted tomorrow post trim
Please keep posting... I really like following all your threads on here
I am really interestedbut volcanic ash comment... even if it was made in jest - I must look at when she first went foot sore... Im sure it was similar times
Should probably add my tuppence from Madam! She is doing ok, still short at the front, rode out 4-5miles last week with no further issues, and rode out this week but got off half way as she became more than just short (stumbling and unlevel at points). She was "sound" by time we walked back to box. And returned home and stood on the hardcore instead of going off grazing!!!! So she cant have been hurting that bad.
Got a new trimmer out tomorrow, and having picked up all four feet perfectly for past few weeks (finally!!!! work has paid off!!!) She refused to let me pick them up at all tonight, not even fronts. Won in the end but took FOREVER - was reluctant to tie her up though as worried it would undo all the work Ive done. So we shall see how much of a nightmare she creates tomorrow. Going to get her some boots too - hopefully get some fitted tomorrow post trim
Please keep posting... I really like following all your threads on here
Been battling with my 2 shetties over the winter.
Wally my cushings pony has been on and off danilon for most of the winter.
Soon as days started to lengthen he improved rapidly, has now been completely sound for weeks, yipee.
He could easily have more grass if it wasn't for my other shetland.
Surprise had his first attack last autumn when he escaped into lush part of field and gorged overnight, luckily only one foot affected.
Having to be very careful regarding grass.
He is sound on a bare paddock, I am safely moving a couple of posts a day. Diet is mainly hay.
Both sound and drug free at moment so very happy.
Wally my cushings pony has been on and off danilon for most of the winter.
Soon as days started to lengthen he improved rapidly, has now been completely sound for weeks, yipee.
He could easily have more grass if it wasn't for my other shetland.
Surprise had his first attack last autumn when he escaped into lush part of field and gorged overnight, luckily only one foot affected.
Having to be very careful regarding grass.
He is sound on a bare paddock, I am safely moving a couple of posts a day. Diet is mainly hay.
Both sound and drug free at moment so very happy.
It is a nightmare isn't it ? My boy got mild lami 5 yrs ago, well vet said it was mild but if that's what mild is would hate to see a bad dose . I keep him sound by keeping him in the stable riding him daily & he only goes out only for about 3 hrs muzzled .Fortunately he seems fine with this routine but would love to able to leave him out but it's just not possible.In the winter
he goes out during the day but still is muzzled as he's so sensitive to the grass.
he goes out during the day but still is muzzled as he's so sensitive to the grass.
Welcome to the Newbies and thanks so much for your posts.
The Volcanic ash thing was not just in jest - they indicated some areas had a coating of the stuff, they are not sure of the implications on grazing and wildlife but it would in my mind make sense that grazing animals such as horses who may be susceptable to any change in mineral levels and you would think the ash would change balance on the ground and subsequently into the grass - I am no expert but various things are put on the land by us to increase growth, nutriants and its a few weeks before the effects show, there does seem to be an increased level in lammi in horses out that would not normally be considered at risk by owners for lots of reasons, no obesity, out 24/7, regular excercise, no change in pattern of routine, no injury or stress - suppose some scientists somewhere are exploring what it is/has done to the environment and what the effects maybe, not sure what area of the UK was worst affected by the Ash covering but it would be interesting to find out and see if there are increased cases in this type of illness which could be linked. Re the boots, best thing I ever did, what did you go for in the end?
Its a shame Tubby that this damn illness affects natural turnout but at least you have found a way of managing it, I read a really interesting article on the benefit of exercise and turnout for Lammi's (not sure where read so many) but it certainly applied to Acorn, I can leave him in for a day , 2 at a pinch but he has to have walk out morning and night, anymore than that and we hit mobility issues with him, so I have him in on a night and out during the day, I am sure he would more than likely cope with 24/7 turnout in summer(winter is a no no) once he is fully sound again, but its prob me that daren't risk it yet, I would really just like him to be fully fit again and then get through next winter Lammi free. The boots have made a real difference, I bought some firm pads for him and fitted them into his boots last night as his soft ones where shot, walked him upto his field in them and he was off like a rocket, they are obviously giving him the extra support he needed, hes out in them so just hoping they are still on tonight and not flapping around his ankles!
So pleased your 2 are sound LC, as you say knowing how to manage them is the key and no two are the same, I too have winter battles , his two attacks have both been in February, hes recovering quicker this time maybe as I learnt most of what works with him last year, I really really hope this next winter is different and lammi free, one of the main things is keeping him injury free, almost impossible as he is a typical shettie and always in trouble or finding it
Hope Bobs and Vicky are both okay today, Hi Mandy glad alls well, saw you in the Diary area - have two to keep up with now, lol keeps my old mind active.
back in later for any updates
Lx
The Volcanic ash thing was not just in jest - they indicated some areas had a coating of the stuff, they are not sure of the implications on grazing and wildlife but it would in my mind make sense that grazing animals such as horses who may be susceptable to any change in mineral levels and you would think the ash would change balance on the ground and subsequently into the grass - I am no expert but various things are put on the land by us to increase growth, nutriants and its a few weeks before the effects show, there does seem to be an increased level in lammi in horses out that would not normally be considered at risk by owners for lots of reasons, no obesity, out 24/7, regular excercise, no change in pattern of routine, no injury or stress - suppose some scientists somewhere are exploring what it is/has done to the environment and what the effects maybe, not sure what area of the UK was worst affected by the Ash covering but it would be interesting to find out and see if there are increased cases in this type of illness which could be linked. Re the boots, best thing I ever did, what did you go for in the end?
Its a shame Tubby that this damn illness affects natural turnout but at least you have found a way of managing it, I read a really interesting article on the benefit of exercise and turnout for Lammi's (not sure where read so many) but it certainly applied to Acorn, I can leave him in for a day , 2 at a pinch but he has to have walk out morning and night, anymore than that and we hit mobility issues with him, so I have him in on a night and out during the day, I am sure he would more than likely cope with 24/7 turnout in summer(winter is a no no) once he is fully sound again, but its prob me that daren't risk it yet, I would really just like him to be fully fit again and then get through next winter Lammi free. The boots have made a real difference, I bought some firm pads for him and fitted them into his boots last night as his soft ones where shot, walked him upto his field in them and he was off like a rocket, they are obviously giving him the extra support he needed, hes out in them so just hoping they are still on tonight and not flapping around his ankles!
So pleased your 2 are sound LC, as you say knowing how to manage them is the key and no two are the same, I too have winter battles , his two attacks have both been in February, hes recovering quicker this time maybe as I learnt most of what works with him last year, I really really hope this next winter is different and lammi free, one of the main things is keeping him injury free, almost impossible as he is a typical shettie and always in trouble or finding it
Hope Bobs and Vicky are both okay today, Hi Mandy glad alls well, saw you in the Diary area - have two to keep up with now, lol keeps my old mind active.
back in later for any updates
Lx
I am in definate agreement about the volcanic ash comment.... I have dealt with lammi in depth with our other pony and have seen the different 'types' of lammi... this new pony of ours has NEVER had lammi and although definately a pony you would 'keep an eye on' as a very fine sec b, she is most definately NOT your 'typical' lammi pony (if there really is such a thing???)
She had been on the same grazing for 3 months which was our winter turnout, feet are 'perfect' according to my farrier (who looked after our Lucy lammi pony, so knows what he's on about!) shes been out in day, in at night and things were perfect.... then within hours she was 'wrong' with the classic signs of lammi.... NOTHING had changed...the grass had most definately not grown at all, no feed changes etc.
I have now kept her as a lammi for over a week and shes not eating the grass as she hasn't got the jist of her muzzle yet.... so I would love an explanation of whats going on!!! As I mentioned last week, my farrier said he'd have 5 cases in the week and NONE had ever been lammis or even showed signs, the local vets are baffled.....
Lovely to have new posters on the topic - its a minefield and the more input we all have, the more we may learn!!! D x
She had been on the same grazing for 3 months which was our winter turnout, feet are 'perfect' according to my farrier (who looked after our Lucy lammi pony, so knows what he's on about!) shes been out in day, in at night and things were perfect.... then within hours she was 'wrong' with the classic signs of lammi.... NOTHING had changed...the grass had most definately not grown at all, no feed changes etc.
I have now kept her as a lammi for over a week and shes not eating the grass as she hasn't got the jist of her muzzle yet.... so I would love an explanation of whats going on!!! As I mentioned last week, my farrier said he'd have 5 cases in the week and NONE had ever been lammis or even showed signs, the local vets are baffled.....
Lovely to have new posters on the topic - its a minefield and the more input we all have, the more we may learn!!! D x
Well her "short stridedness" set off before she went onto summer grazing. She was on mainly dead type brown grazing - I thought maybe there was a heap of short green stuff coming thoruhg quickly and they were eating it so fast I just never saw it - never even thought about the ash - but yes cars had a covering here, so no doubt field did. Field seems to get snow even when houses next to it dont!!!!!! 
I think we will go for easyboots, but depends on what trimmer says this afternoon. Dreading it. She refused to pick up any feet last night -we've practiced so hard and shes been an angel for about 2-3 weeks with all four... and to top it off she came into season yesterday and is now the biggest grump... Wonder how quick trimmer will go running
Wouldnt mind if little man was easy... he collapses in a heap if you pick a foot up little monkey!!!!!!!!
Sil is a typical lami case unfortunatley - overweight and piglet! Coupled with serious sweet itch/allergy issues its not much fun - there is seriously a niche for feeds suitable for allergy ponies and lami ponies - so many feeds have either garlic in or too much sugar! On Hifi good doer as she wont eat lite, and I dont have water at the field so dont want to be messing with beet.
Do any of you feed any lami supps like laminaze etc and what effects have you had? She has nothing bar naf lsimline and hifi good doer (handful) at the moment as an attempt to get weight off (in on hardcore/shelter for 8-12hrs a day during day time and out at night). Would love her out 24/7 but she wont be caught for muzzle, she brings herself in though to stand in, but shes destroying her self rubbing being in
I think we will go for easyboots, but depends on what trimmer says this afternoon. Dreading it. She refused to pick up any feet last night -we've practiced so hard and shes been an angel for about 2-3 weeks with all four... and to top it off she came into season yesterday and is now the biggest grump... Wonder how quick trimmer will go running
Wouldnt mind if little man was easy... he collapses in a heap if you pick a foot up little monkey!!!!!!!!
Sil is a typical lami case unfortunatley - overweight and piglet! Coupled with serious sweet itch/allergy issues its not much fun - there is seriously a niche for feeds suitable for allergy ponies and lami ponies - so many feeds have either garlic in or too much sugar! On Hifi good doer as she wont eat lite, and I dont have water at the field so dont want to be messing with beet.
Do any of you feed any lami supps like laminaze etc and what effects have you had? She has nothing bar naf lsimline and hifi good doer (handful) at the moment as an attempt to get weight off (in on hardcore/shelter for 8-12hrs a day during day time and out at night). Would love her out 24/7 but she wont be caught for muzzle, she brings herself in though to stand in, but shes destroying her self rubbing being in
Well her "short stridedness" set off before she went onto summer grazing. She was on mainly dead type brown grazing - I thought maybe there was a heap of short green stuff coming thoruhg quickly and they were eating it so fast I just never saw it - never even thought about the ash - but yes cars had a covering here, so no doubt field did. Field seems to get snow even when houses next to it dont!!!!!!
I think we will go for easyboots, but depends on what trimmer says this afternoon. Dreading it. She refused to pick up any feet last night -we've practiced so hard and shes been an angel for about 2-3 weeks with all four... and to top it off she came into season yesterday and is now the biggest grump... Wonder how quick trimmer will go running
Wouldnt mind if little man was easy... he collapses in a heap if you pick a foot up little monkey!!!!!!!!
Sil is a typical lami case unfortunatley - overweight and piglet! Coupled with serious sweet itch/allergy issues its not much fun - there is seriously a niche for feeds suitable for allergy ponies and lami ponies - so many feeds have either garlic in or too much sugar! On Hifi good doer as she wont eat lite, and I dont have water at the field so dont want to be messing with beet.
Do any of you feed any lami supps like laminaze etc and what effects have you had? She has nothing bar naf lsimline and hifi good doer (handful) at the moment as an attempt to get weight off (in on hardcore/shelter for 8-12hrs a day during day time and out at night). Would love her out 24/7 but she wont be caught for muzzle, she brings herself in though to stand in, but shes destroying her self rubbing being in
We have all moved onto Lammi Prone from Global herbs and with Bobs and Acorn we seem to be getting results , Vicky has just gone onto it so a bit early to tell, it certainly seems to help maintain weight and wellbeing, I also have Acorn on Rebuild from Global herbs, although that is being reduced now as he improves, Bobs and Acorn have the Alpha bute ( can't give Acorn anymore than 1/2 the little Blue scoop or he throws the bucket of food at me
0 - difficult to tell wether that helps or not but Bobs is off bute and Acorn is down to about a 1/4 sachet a day now and will be off it by weekend (touching wood here), They have a brilliant helpline at Global herbs so well worth a call, no hard sell which is great.Acorn is on Happy Hoof and gets on well with it and a joint suppliment from Metabolic horse (expensive but last ages as he only has a tiny ammount).
We had the other two on lammi prone as a precaution as they are Natives
and good doers and we have moved grazing - my daughter won a large tub of XLamiaid (think thats what they call it) small pellets so have put them onto that, but not risking moving Acorn from what seems to be working.
Our Mare has an allergy to Garlic but does cope with the Happy Hoof, I spoke to their helpline and they said that with the small ammounts present it shouldn't pose a long term issue, she itched for a couple of days when she first went on then nothing since other than when the midges came out in force- zapped them with the Barrier fly spray, seems to work on her.
She has a fly rug but hates them and they don't last long, so far not had to use it.
Do hope you manage the Trim, is the lifting feet since the lammi? sorry I suspect you have a thread somewhere on this and I have not seen it.
We have the Easyboot Epics, they look cumbersome but infact are quie lightweight and very sturdy, not too bad to fit once you get the hang of it, p.s. they bounce as well
anyway best get some work done
in later to see how you got on
Lx
I am in definate agreement about the volcanic ash comment.... I have dealt with lammi in depth with our other pony and have seen the different 'types' of lammi... this new pony of ours has NEVER had lammi and although definately a pony you would 'keep an eye on' as a very fine sec b, she is most definately NOT your 'typical' lammi pony (if there really is such a thing???)
She had been on the same grazing for 3 months which was our winter turnout, feet are 'perfect' according to my farrier (who looked after our Lucy lammi pony, so knows what he's on about!) shes been out in day, in at night and things were perfect.... then within hours she was 'wrong' with the classic signs of lammi.... NOTHING had changed...the grass had most definately not grown at all, no feed changes etc.
I have now kept her as a lammi for over a week and shes not eating the grass as she hasn't got the jist of her muzzle yet.... so I would love an explanation of whats going on!!! As I mentioned last week, my farrier said he'd have 5 cases in the week and NONE had ever been lammis or even showed signs, the local vets are baffled.....
Lovely to have new posters on the topic - its a minefield and the more input we all have, the more we may learn!!! D x
I wonder if the Vets have to report cases which would show an increase in certain areas - would certainly be beneficial, but suspect not enforceable and they wouldn't have time, its not a notifiable and wouldn't work if not accurate. If anyone else reading these threads knows of similar type increases in previously not classed susceptable ponies it would be interesting to know what areas......
My Farrier is here on Saturday to the other two so will ask him if has heard anything this way out - we only had a very thin film one day and not heard anything untoward on the grapevine.
anyway hope alls well and she gets on with that Muzzle bless her - keep us updated Debbie
Lx
Hi all,my farrier was telling me last week that he had a case of an elderly TB getting lammi for the first time. Was so severe that they were worried pedal bone would drop through the sole when he had to dig a gas pocket out. Luckily it didnt, but horse was on boxrest for three months, covered in sores apparently from lying down bloody awful. I hate laminitis with a vengeance.
Pony on my yard was quite footy and farrier though he had beginnings of lammi too. Luckily theres two of us on the yard who have had experience with it and so we helped her to try to nip it in the bud.
Ponys is doing ok now, muzzled when out at night ( like mine ) and brought in during the day.
Also food was reduced and she is now feeding top spec anti lam like i do. I love that stuff. Poppys looks bloody amazing on it
bloody awful. I hate laminitis with a vengeance.Pony on my yard was quite footy and farrier though he had beginnings of lammi too. Luckily theres two of us on the yard who have had experience with it and so we helped her to try to nip it in the bud.
Ponys is doing ok now, muzzled when out at night ( like mine ) and brought in during the day.
Also food was reduced and she is now feeding top spec anti lam like i do. I love that stuff. Poppys looks bloody amazing on it
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