Did you see the look on her face. She was enjoying that sooo much!
Ya see, people don't do things to be wrong(most people), it's just that sometimes it takes people a while to find a better path/journey/way of doing things.
Nice one Jack!
Did you see the look on her face. She was enjoying that sooo much!
Ya see, people don't do things to be wrong(most people), it's just that sometimes it takes people a while to find a better path/journey/way of doing things.
Nice one Jack!
I don't see Rollkur as "emotionally" as some. 
Admitedly I don't watch much Rollkur practice but I suspect the results are very similar to a reining horses mental training. It's certainly not on my personal list of "top ten" horse abuses though. 
I don't even consider it abusive if done in moderation. 
Chili, I did enjoy the Coudelaria Fucao and added it too my collection of "keepers". I still prefer the Barbier fellow though. In order to grow we really need to keep an open mind and learn to use our own "eyes" when viewing things eh. Keep em coming, you know I'm watching closely.
Keep on, keepin on
Jack
Admitedly I don't watch much Rollkur practice but I suspect the results are very similar to a reining horses mental training. It's certainly not on my personal list of "top ten" horse abuses though. I don't even consider it abusive if done in moderation. Chili, I did enjoy the Coudelaria Fucao and added it too my collection of "keepers". I still prefer the Barbier fellow though.
In order to grow we really need to keep an open mind and learn to use our own "eyes" when viewing things eh. Keep em coming, you know I'm watching closely. Keep on, keepin on
Jack
I don't think the numerous horses that have been helped to overcome various issues by IH associates are mentally wounded in any way, mine certainly isn't
Mine was, by methods promoted by IH. Physically and mentally!
*makes a very late entrance*
I realise this thread has gone off on a bit of a tangent about other things,but having had an RA out to do similar to both of the above,thought it might be of help.
I had a pretty much unhandled 5 year old NF mare couple of years ago,and had an IH RA out to help me with her as I had issues getting near her.
She used a mirror tactic,just walked alongside the horse stopping when she stopped etc,and gradually letting the horse know she was no threat,when the horse was comfortable with her standing beside her,she introduced getting the headcollar on,again took a bit of patience,but did actually come together fine.She did use a different method of aproaching with the headcollar (from the side as opposed to from the front),not sure if this is the norm,but worked with my horse.
She also backed her for me as I was quite honestly just plain too heavy,she did this is the usual fashion TBH,leaning over her,gradually laying over her then putting weight in the stirrups etc,again not sure if this is the norm,but that's what we did (she had long reined her and stuff before we got to the backing part obviously!!).Luckily mare was actually very easy to do,once she got used to being handled,and realised we weren't a threat to her.
If it's any help we actually had a conversation about the whole what is NH,IH etc.She said there is no such thing as 'natural horsemanship' as naturally people and horses don't work together,she said IH was basically about 'feeling' rather than 'thinking',it was a lot to do with pressure and release,and letting the horse know exactly what you want but without fear or punishment,and letting go of the ideas we humans get about horses being naughty etc,as in her opinion anyway,horses just don't think that way,a lot of the time they just don't realise what we are asking them to do,and that's where the 'thinking horse' bit comes in.
Anyway that's what I remember of it,and bear in mind she could have been explaining it to me in a way she thought I might best make sense of at that time.
I really enjoyed working with her,and changed a lot of the way I think about horses and their behaviour,just all made sense when you thought about it in an IH way!!
Intelligent Horsemanship is the name of the organisation headed by Kelly Marks. It teaches Monty Roberts training techniques in the UK.
Natural Horsemanship is an umbrella term applied to all forms of horsemanship that deal with training horses by appealing to their herd mentality and natural instincts. As well as trying to view our approach to horses from the perspective of a horse - recognising that althought they are not capable of human cognitive thought, they are still complex creatures.
What is considered 'traditional' horsemanship when talking from the point of natural horsemanship is that traditional methods are those that train a horse through strict control and domination or "breaking". Not neccessarily always as cruel a practice as it is made out to be - but depending on who you talk to opinions vary...
Intelligent Horsemanship is the 'brand' name used by Kelly Marks in relation to the confusion surrounding what is termed as natural horsemaship. Natural horsemanship is a lot of different things to a lot of different people, so by calling her organisation Intelligent Horsemanship she is able to draw a clear definition of what training techniques actually apply to the IH curriculum for her members.
Natural Horsemanship is an umbrella term applied to all forms of horsemanship that deal with training horses by appealing to their herd mentality and natural instincts. As well as trying to view our approach to horses from the perspective of a horse - recognising that althought they are not capable of human cognitive thought, they are still complex creatures.
What is considered 'traditional' horsemanship when talking from the point of natural horsemanship is that traditional methods are those that train a horse through strict control and domination or "breaking". Not neccessarily always as cruel a practice as it is made out to be - but depending on who you talk to opinions vary...
Intelligent Horsemanship is the 'brand' name used by Kelly Marks in relation to the confusion surrounding what is termed as natural horsemaship. Natural horsemanship is a lot of different things to a lot of different people, so by calling her organisation Intelligent Horsemanship she is able to draw a clear definition of what training techniques actually apply to the IH curriculum for her members.
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