Equine related discrimination

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Does anyone else suffer with the miconceptions of others as a result of being disabled and horse riding or owning horses? :confused: The worst is always from non-horsey people, but it is a truely horrible feeling and makes me feel that I have to justify myself, or carry around diagnosis letters and test results to prove myself to people :o

I almost lost my job three years ago because my employers were accusing me of hypochondria and "regularly faking 'sickies'" (despite me passing on a report from one of the country's leading specialists in my condition).
The general concensus in HR was that "riding horses" (which was information my superviser must have passed on) was enough to prove that I cannot possibly be disabled. The issue was that I was requesting some expensive equipment to assist me to do my job, and that I had been off sick more than the company's "average" in the last twelve months, so they sent me to an Occupational Health doctor. Their letter to the doctor (which he shared with me) went along the lines of "we believe the 'disability' only effects her on Monday to Friday between the hours of 8am and 5pm, as outside of work she admits to riding horses and singing with a band" and was virtually requesting that he prove that I was a liar. Fortunately, the doctor was very understanding and had come across my particular disability previously.
Aside from the report from Occupational Health, I provided copies of my award for Disability Living Allowance and my blue parking badge as well as a variety of information on the condition from national organisations, my doctors and specialists. I also wrote a long report about the benefits of Hippotherapy, although I never got an opportunity to present it :rolleyes: Funnily enough, since that time, HR have pretty much left me alone, although I never got an apology for the stress and distress that the whole scenario caused me, and the increase in anti-depressants that was necessary to get me through it.

A colleague was telling me recently how his daughter has just taken up horse-riding, and (any excuse) I showed him a photo of Salsa and I. Later on when he saw my boyfriend pushing me in my wheelchair on the way home, he felt the need to give me a piece of his mind about how if I was well enough to have a horse, I could damn well use my legs and WALK! :eek: At the time I was so gobsmacked that I couldn't think of anything "educating" to tell him, but afterwards I wish I had explained about all the support and assistance that I need in keeping my horse; all the training that has gone in to making him safe for me to handle on the ground; all the equipment that I need, or have modified to make caring for him manageable; and just how damn painful caring for and riding him is :mad: But the way I see it is that 99% of things in life cause me pain, so I either get on with it or do sit on a sofa for the next fifty years, because moving hurts :rolleyes:

I can't be the only one who has come across such attitudes?
 
My initial reply is not postable on a public forum! But i agree totally with you. As someone who a) has hidden 'disabilities' and b) works for a disability helpline and sees on a daily basis the ignorance and incompetence of so-called agencies that are supposed to support disabled people, i know how hard it is and how important horses are to me so it's a lifeline to you. It gets me so jaded. Yes, some people do take the p*ss, but we as an organisation exist to ensure that everyone gets a chance to an independent life which does in fact include leisure activities and i have tons of different sports on my database, inlcuding horseriding for people who are interested. Sounds to me like your employers don't deserve you sez. What a bunch of planks!
 
I'm experienced simmilar but not to do with riding because I had to stop shortly after becomming ill and am just starting again. But mine was because one day I would need a wheelchair the next I may not of done and others I simply couldn't get out of bed. I had one teacher basicly tell me I should be in an insitution away from society!
 
Ohh I have also been told one of my illness's - M.E is all in my head and its not a real illness's. But thats not the best of it - it has come from ALL the GP's at my surgery!!!
 
That is appalling. I don’t care if you were making up your disability (I understand that you are not!). No one deserves to be yelled at and what the hell does it have to do with him anyway.

If I wanted to get around in a wheelchair despite being able bodied I would expect to be allowed to do it. In fact when I was younger my cousins and I loved borrowing my grandmother’s wheelchair and electric scooter for a run down to the shops.

As for riding with a disability haven’t they ever heard of the RDA??? Perhaps you don’t have it over there. I have helped out at one here and people from all walks of life attend. It’s fantastic for the kids mentally, socially and physically.
 
I totally sympathise with you!

Although not quite the same, but I was off work for 8 weeks with depression - I'm on AD's and had a certificate from my doc, but on my return to work I was asked if I had 'seen my horse' in that time, coz if I was well enough to do horsey, then I was well enough to go to work!!! :mad:
 
WV, yep, we do have RDA here and it is a fantastic organisation!

I think that certain people just can't grasp the concept that disabilities can fluctuate, and having to use a wheelchair one day doesn't mean that person is totally reliant on it and can walk a little another day. It's pure stupidity and ignorance, in their minds you either can't walk, or you can...no grey area, no middle ground, no flexibility in their thinking or comprehension of the types of disabilities out there.

Grrr :mad:
Rant over ;)
 
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I totally sympathise with you!

Although not quite the same, but I was off work for 8 weeks with depression - I'm on AD's and had a certificate from my doc, but on my return to work I was asked if I had 'seen my horse' in that time, coz if I was well enough to do horsey, then I was well enough to go to work!!! :mad:

Oh Lacetti, i'm just incredulous at that!! I also was off work for the same reason. The only thing that got me out of bed sometimes was going to the stables, in fact on occasion my RI threatened to come get me if i didn't come down and help!!

It was a godsend. We're constantly being told that mh problems need us to get out and about, so you find something that encourages you to do that and get shot down? Your work obviously has little understanding of how horses can help. Really feel for you :( How you feeling now?
 
I'm so pleased that I'm not the only one who has had to deal with this! (That sounds horribly heartless, but you know what I mean! :o I'm not pleased that other people are unwell or have had nasty people to cope with...)
Although not quite the same, but I was off work for 8 weeks with depression - I'm on AD's and had a certificate from my doc, but on my return to work I was asked if I had 'seen my horse' in that time, coz if I was well enough to do horsey, then I was well enough to go to work!!!
:eek::eek::eek:
My horse has been one of the few things that has pulled me through some really black times. After my husband left, my doctor put me on a sedative :o so there was no way I could get my brain around working, and TBH, I was just a complete mess with no idea how I was going to get by alone. But knowing that my horse needed me pulled me through the first few weeks. He needed me to get out of bed and look after him. For me, the yard has always been a haven from "real life" and no matter what else is going on, spending time with the horses gives me a sanctuary. There are loads of threads about the impact of horses on mental health issues, and I think it's fairly plain to see that horses are hugely beneficial.

It's pure stupidity and ignorance, in their minds you either can't walk, or you can...no grey area, no middle ground, no flexibility in their thinking or comprehension of the types of disabilities out there.
That's completely it! Most people in my office are used to me now (I've been here long enough :rolleyes: ) but there are still the odd few, such as the chap I mentioned, who just don't get it and probably never will. :(
 
There are many ignorant people and employers out there, and the 'whistleblowing' culture we currently live in doesn't help! personally, I don't think it is anyone's business but myself, my family and my doctor.

I have Fibromyalgia, and it took them 4 years to diagnose, it meant I had to give up Nursing, as some days I could function well, the next I needed a stick to get around. I too have a wheelchair, but I keep it caged up in the garage like a wild beast! I know it's only a matter of time before I will need it , but until then, out of sight, out of mind!

With it being a condition which affects to different extents on different days, it has made it difficult to get taken seriously.

Currently I don't have a horse, but once I get moved I intend to learn to drive, so I can get a horsy fix, even if I can't ride any more. I will try to ride again though, but it will still be sidesaddle.

Cheers, Midori
 
I know someone who was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia. She said that riding was one of the few times when she didn't feel pain. She thought this was to do with the fact that she loved it so much she just didn't think about the pain. If she stoped ridding and thought about it she could still feel it.

I have been told that Fibromyalgia can get better - sometimes.
 
ive been diagnosed with A.D.H.D with in the last year or so, ive also suffered with despression since i was very young which i have been told is part of my A.D.H.D so i will have depression for life and be on AD'S for life.
I find it funny when you try and explain this to people as they think that its just a kids thing but its isnt.
Now because of this i cant work not because of the fact i dont want to or have a disbility that courses my body not to function as such but due to the fact that my mind wont cope with it, i cant consuntrat long enough on one job.
I can stress out very quickly, and lose my temper in a very short time when trying to work.
I find horse riding settles my mind and helps me to release any stress that i have i find it calming and relaxing, allowing my mind to be free from the outside world.
Its the only thing i can truly consintrate on.
Ive had some really nasty people say some nasty thing to me about my condition and why i dont work, i do how ever try and be kind and explain, as A.D.H.D is not widly know about and how it affects the brain function.
Other well i dont waste my breath with and just tell them to look it up and get there facts right about it.
I do suffer from other things but A.D.H.D is the big facter in my life and does rule my life a lot.
I do understand how people feel with there disabillitys and how poeple treat them because of that, i just feel some poeple need to look beyond the rose coloured glass and see beyond the other person disablility, or at least understand that a disability can affect a person badly one day and not so much the next.
 
Well I now have a great example of equine related discrimination. I'm currently looking for a share horse, went to go and see explained about myself my M.E, arthitis and another couple of health problems I have but explained that I have learnt to cope and know my limitations, so I one rode him and the owners said they wanted both parties to think about. Didn't hear anything from them so I sent an email and this is the responce I got:

"Sorry for not getting back to you sooner, mum or i meant to phone you but it hasn't happened.

We both just feel with [horse] being young, and although you saw him on a very very laid back day, he can get more excitable, so he may not be quite the right partner for you, especially with a few of your health issues.
It is most likely that no-one would be about when a sharer was here, and we feel that may not be the best situation if anything were to happen to either of you out on a hack."

So basicly I couldn't ride him with health issues because of his age (5) and I should only ride old horses - my last share horse would, and did on several occasions, bolt and she was 22!
 
hang on, if you have a disability you are expected to go to work and they might, if they feel so disposed, buy some specialist gear to aid you, but the minute you leave the office you must not lead a normal life, no singing in bands, we all know what that can lead to ;) ;), what are you supposed to do, crawl into a box and put the lid on until next morning where you dutifully go back into the office they so kindly furnished to aid you in your work?

They ought to be ruddy pleased that you keep active and do as much as you can to keep fit and active.

Why do some folk think that a disability means you cannot get out of chair or a bed?????
 
Hi Sez. My 4 year old daughter has cerebral palsy and I consider her disabled because she is physically and mentally handicapped. She will probably never walk, talk, see the sunrise, brush her hair, pick up a pencil, read a book, use the bathroom on her own, express her thoughts, work or have a family. Given this perception of being disabled, I can certainly understand how some people might "discriminate" against you because you can do all these things and ride a horse to boot! Also, the fact that you can afford a horse, yet receive Disability Living Allowance and other financial entitlements doesn't help the situation. Sorry, but not everyone is going to be sympathetic towards you.
 
Hi Sez. My 4 year old daughter has cerebral palsy and I consider her disabled because she is physically and mentally handicapped. She will probably never walk, talk, see the sunrise, brush her hair, pick up a pencil, read a book, use the bathroom on her own, express her thoughts, work or have a family. Given this perception of being disabled, I can certainly understand how some people might "discriminate" against you because you can do all these things and ride a horse to boot! Also, the fact that you can afford a horse, yet receive Disability Living Allowance and other financial entitlements doesn't help the situation. Sorry, but not everyone is going to be sympathetic towards you.

I can sympathise with both view points, it does baffle me that disability living allowance could go towards buying a vehical to transport the person who is intitled to the benefits own horse:confused:. So yes I can understand, why people may question how a person who is labled or labels themselve disabled can particpate in such an extreme sport, yet may find it difficult or challenging to do less demanding activities. I wouldn't necessarily call that discrimination, I would say they are mearly confused and struggle to see the logic in such situations. And possibly, dare I say it rather a bit miffed that 'tax payers' money is funding such an activity, you openly discuss using your disability allowance to either buy a horse box or a 4x4, when essentially this allowance is to be used to make life easier - yet transporting your own horse which you ride when you are classed as disabled is not what people expect the allowance to be used for, and that probably adds to the confusement.
 
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