Welsh section C 's???

[devonlass]

I am quite attracted to this breed,I love welsh D's for their movement and looks,but not sure I could cope with the attitude!! Plus need something smaller than that,so was wondering about sec C's??

Do they have the same type of attitude,or are they a bit more sane??

What are there weight carrying ablilities like?? Would be looking at a well built 13-13.2hh one if poss,could they carry a non size 8 adult??

Any pics and details of what they are like welcome

 

[carthorse]

I think the main difference is height. If it's any help to you there's a lot of C in Little Un's breeding

 

[Ceiron]

its really only a height issue thats different

you get some big cs and some little ds too.

overall i say if you find a nice welshie they make great horses though

we have a lovely c stallion who is very well behaved and rides lovely.

 

[bitsnpieces]

the main thing if you're looking at a welsh (any of the sections!) is to make sure they have been started properly and taught their manners, if you get one that has been allowed to run riot they can be quite a handful to bring back down to earth, but it has to be said that they have as much character as they can fit in, if you bond with one well then they will do absolutely anything for you.

We have a section C at my livery yard, he was used to cover numerous mares in his stallion days, has something like 40 babies dotted around, he used to run out with his mares in the Gower Valley in Wales. He is now owned by a young girl, he's is one of the best mannered ponies on the yard, one of the most successful at competitions and is just a totally lovely young man.

Just keep your wits about you when looking as these breeds to tend to fall into the wrong hands so be sure you get as best feel as you can for what you're taking on.

as an aside, for the section D attitude - go to the Menai stud website and on there they have a wonderful pic of one of their best stallions being held by a tiny boy (at a show having won first)....this also shows that one of the other most prized qualities of the Welsh cobs is that yes they have attitude (as do all british natives) but they also have an exceptionally kind nature. I remember going to see my filly's sire to be at a show when I was trying to make my mind up - he did his thing, won the class, came out and promptly fell asleep while his handler had a chat with someone at the side of the ring!

 

[Native Lover]

The difference is mainly in the height, My Stormy's sire is a welsh C.....though Stormy is a D(due to his expected height at maturity) he has plenty of bone so will carry weight(Take a peek in my albums). Temprements are similar though. either fiesty and fiery or laid back depending on each ones individual personality.they are very alike in looks the foal and his sire.

Hope this helps

 

[Mary Poppins]

I don't think that it is fair to label section D's as having 'attitudes' because it really does depend on the horse. I once loaned a section D who was a complete bargy monster who was so used to getting his own way you had to be really firm with him. However, I have met some Section D's who are lovely and can be handled by children. I think that it all depends on their training, they are big, strong animals and generally very food orientated. If they are not handled correctly they just learn they are stronger than the human they are with.

I would say that a 13.2hh Section C could take up to about 12 stone. When I loaned my Section D, there was a Section C in the field with him who was more bargy than mine was. His owner was a 13 year old girl and she couldn't take him in and out of the field without him getting free from her a running off. But if someone who knew how to lead a horse properly got him in, he was fine.

It's abit like saying that all TB's are nutters. Some are, but there are lots of sane ones out there as well.

 

[Joyscarer]

I don't think that it is fair to label section D's as having 'attitudes' because it really does depend on the horse. I once loaned a section D who was a complete bargy monster who was so used to getting his own way you had to be really firm with him. However, I have met some Section D's who are lovely and can be handled by children.

I agree. If I have my 7 year old or hubby down the yard with me then they will lead Joy and I will take Littles who can be a bit of a handful.

However, I wouldn't expect Joy's manners to remain if my little girl or clueless hubby (meant in the best possible way as he's only up the yard twice a year and doesn't have an interest in horses) were the only ones to handle her.

She's a good girl who does as she's told but you need to be experienced enough to realise she's testing the boundaries and keep her in the check on the little things so it doesn't progress.

Mind you it's in my nature to be insistent on boundaries all the time. She wouldn't suit someone who was inconsistent.

 

[devonlass]

Thanks folks for the info

Apologies to the D fans,my comments were not meant to offend.I love D's in many way's,just based on the ones I have known am not sure I would get on with them,have found them to have a fairly strong will in general,and an attitude if allowed to get away with it

They are not all the same obviously (carthorse's Little'un is one I would take home tomorrow if I thought she wouldn't notice),I was just generalising to get a comparison with the C's.

D's are not an option for me at the mo anyway,as I need something smaller,but agree there are some nice ones around

It seems then that C's are generally the same as D's in many way's just smaller height wise??

 

[laceyfreckle]

Um, Harvey is either a welsh C or welsh C x.

His attitude as you know can be a bit interesting but I don't think thats really his breed atribute.

He is lovely to ride, uncomplicated but sparky. Is definitely not a pushover though and you have to 'ride' as opposed to 'plod about'.

He is great when you get a bond with him (bit of a nightmare otherwise lol). I wouldn't swap him now though

Like all wesh's regardless of section he is opinioated (sp?), sparky, trainable and cheeky. He is also fun. Downsides is he's greedy and can be pushy and can try to dominate.

My children do ride him (in the field) but don't generally handle him.

Size wise, well he's 13.3hh (passported 13.2hh) and I'm about 10 stone and he doesn't bat a eyelid at that. I bought him when I was 11 stone and he didn't mind that either. He is quite cobby looking but actually fairly narrow which is why I look taller on him then I did on my stocky 12.3hh (I'm 5ft 2) I imagine most are cobbier then him though.

sorry rubbish pictures!

This is what he looks like with my 5ft 6 sharer (who's 13)

 

[devonlass]

Thanks for that LF I had forgotten that Harvey was a section C.

Hmm have to say,and as we've both said before he's a little too much like my current fell nature wise for what I want in the future,but how much of that is his breed do you think as opposed to previous bad handling etc?? (or whatever other reason you think there might be for his grumpiness??)

I am strating to think from what yourself and others have said that perhaps the C's are quite like the D's,which although not a bad thing for many would not be suitable for what I want it for.It will be handled regularly and ridden mainly by children for a start,some very novice as well,so maybe not the best choice??

 

[joosie]

How about a partbred then?

We have a 3/4-bred Welsh C called Lily and she is an easygoing, well-mannered, versatile, straightforward, no-nonsense sort of pony. She's the most popular pony in the riding school and is used for flatwork, mounted games, jumping, XC and hacking by kids of all ages and abilities. My boss and I (5'7''/10stone and 5'6''/8 stone) also use her as a hack escort. I won a novice TREC competition on her in the first week I rode her. In the summer we fell backwards into a 6-foot ditch and she just waited calmly while our hacking companions pulled her out. She can also be used for ride-and-lead.

Some of people's comments on this thread have shown me how little I know about Welsh ponies, I thought they were known for being excellent children's ponies??

 

[flump1967]

Well I think you should get yourself a nice Highland
They don't come cuddlier than my Arnie and a 13.2 ish would carry most people yet not seem hugely tall for children.

 

[devonlass]

How about a partbred then?

We have a 3/4-bred Welsh C called Lily and she is an easygoing, well-mannered, versatile, straightforward, no-nonsense sort of pony. She's the most popular pony in the riding school and is used for flatwork, mounted games, jumping, XC and hacking by kids of all ages and abilities. My boss and I (5'7''/10stone and 5'6''/8 stone) also use her as a hack escort. I won a novice TREC competition on her in the first week I rode her. In the summer we fell backwards into a 6-foot ditch and she just waited calmly while our hacking companions pulled her out. She can also be used for ride-and-lead.

Some of people's comments on this thread have shown me how little I know about Welsh ponies, I thought they were known for being excellent children's ponies??

A part bred is certainly a possibility,I don't need anything pure bred,but was just trying to find out a little more about the C's.

Welsh ponies are A's and B's.Section C's are a pony of cob type,and the D's are welsh cobs.Welsh ponies may well be good kids ponies (A's and B's),but personally I wouldn't recommend a Section D for anything but the most confident of children As for the C's,well I wasn;t sure if they were more like their smaller pony relations or the D's,seems they might be a bit more like the feisty D's,so maybe not brilliant for kids,but I am generalising of course,am sure many are fabby kids ponies

Well I think you should get yourself a nice Highland
They don't come cuddlier than my Arnie and a 13.2 ish would carry most people yet not seem hugely tall for children.

I love highlands Flumpy,but have to say I wouldn't pick one for a kids pony,tad too obstinate and opinionated in a typical native way
Your Arnie seems to be the exception of course,but I've not met a highland yet that didn't show it's willful stubborn side at some point,shame as I do love 'em

 

[laceyfreckle]

Thanks for that LF I had forgotten that Harvey was a section C.

Hmm have to say,and as we've both said before he's a little too much like my current fell nature wise for what I want in the future,but how much of that is his breed do you think as opposed to previous bad handling etc?? (or whatever other reason you think there might be for his grumpiness??)

I am strating to think from what yourself and others have said that perhaps the C's are quite like the D's,which although not a bad thing for many would not be suitable for what I want it for.It will be handled regularly and ridden mainly by children for a start,some very novice as well,so maybe not the best choice??

Yep, I would probably agree with you. his grumpiness I think is down to past circumstances and just his nature (he has softened a LOT in the last couple of weeks) but his quirkiness I would say is down to his type.

I would say they make good kids ponies BUT only if they are in a fair bit of work. They make fantastic kids competitive ponies though.

My little sec B was a pretty good for kids but she was a old fashioned type b and in her 20's the newer bred types seem a little more flighty.

I think really you'd be best of not thinking of a breed and looking for a x, heinz 57 or something that you just 'find' lol. I rememeber from my own days as a child they were the best ones!

Otherwise I'm not really sure what makes a good kids pony. I do like British spotted's and they normally seem sane but are not often found.

 

[devonlass]

Yep, I would probably agree with you. his grumpiness I think is down to past circumstances and just his nature (he has softened a LOT in the last couple of weeks) but his quirkiness I would say is down to his type.

I would say they make good kids ponies BUT only if they are in a fair bit of work. They make fantastic kids competitive ponies though.

My little sec B was a pretty good for kids but she was a old fashioned type b and in her 20's the newer bred types seem a little more flighty.

I think really you'd be best of not thinking of a breed and looking for a x, heinz 57 or something that you just 'find' lol. I rememeber from my own days as a child they were the best ones!

Otherwise I'm not really sure what makes a good kids pony. I do like British spotted's and they normally seem sane but are not often found.

Yes you are right,I would look for the right one based on nature really not breed,but was just musing about what might be a good type to start looking at.

I laughed at the spotted pony bit,I had a solid coloured (always makes me chuckle that contradiction in terms!!) spotted pony years ago (bred by someone Bassett,think it was she's quite a well known breeder),he was the most horrid pony ever full of attitude and evil way's kicked,bit,tanked off,bucked,even attacked the vet hated men,and other horses bigger than him (which was quite a few as he was only 12.2hh),generally a right pain in the @rse,although he looked cute and adorable