Tintin

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I wish I could say that i have come to terms with Tintin's death on 3rd December but that is not the case. He was let down by the vet hospital where he had the original surgery when they sent him home telling me and my vet that he was eating - their review of his case proved this was not the case. The breakfast he did not eat was probably the first time he was given ordinary feed with his meds added and he did not eat it. If we had known this we would have called it sooner as an emergency, the vet would probably have come out that same day he came home. But we were given incorrect information and on the 2 1/2 days he was home we managed to get him to eat some food and some meds but never 100%. A week after surgery he was dead.

By the time he was referred to vet school in Edinburgh where he received every care, he was probably dead donkey walking. Instead of finding hyperlipaemia, the head vet and his staff found a displaced colon and impaction colic as well as tubing damage to his esophagus. Despite their best efforts, the colon did not go back into place and he would not eat or drink and did not poo. Basically his system was completely shut down. Had he gone on a drip instead of being sent home, he would have had immediate support and also the displaced colon and colic could have been discovered sooner. The treatment might have worked or we could have gone for colic surgery but by the time that became an option in Edinburgh he had already had 5 days of fluids only and would probably not have recovered. And donkeys have a poorer post colic surgery survival rate than horses anyway. We lost Big Ears after colic surgery, came back some night and she was pts at hospital - she was diagnosed within 12 hours of her colicking as she was ok at night in colic next morning and in hospital an hour later so she had every chance. The vet hospital also did not offer full cover at weekends - this was not known - so he would have had to be moved on the Friday anyway to continue his care which is am strange way to run an equine hospital. Both hospital are 1 1/2 hours from us and Tintin had never travelled since 2011 and then in an air sprung commercial lorry with his friends when we moved house.

He was 24 I had him 17 years he had another 10 ahead of him as he was fit and healthy his only bugbear was the sarcoid and donkeys do not die of sarcoids. The review process showed how sloppy the systems were, no pre admission letter send in advance but given to me when he was checked in day before surgery. It did have clauses in such as not using products on him, and fortunately none were but would have been good to know. And it did mention risks etc and I might have queried it further and gone for the non general anaesthic option which had less good outcomes but would not have killed him. His discharge notes which were completely lacking in detail, his own records at the hospital were inaccurate as his not eating WAS NOT RECORDED AND WHEN I RANG IN AND ASKED THEY RANG ME BACK AND SAID YES HE WAS EATING WELL. So there were multiple times this error could have been discovered and action taken as I could have taken him straight up to Edinburgh if required.

We tried to negotiate an 'amicable' settlement but have failed to do so arguing with a company which had a turnover of £450m last year over £450! So am trying to decide what to do next as so far we have only discussed their fees, not the other invoices from the second hospital and my own vet. It has also strained relations with my own vet as they are all mates. So next steps go to RCVS Mediation Service - only if the other party agrees - complain to RCVS already made in principle and they say they will investigate or go legal which is complicated and costly.

Money won't bring Tintin back. Any money that we do recover will go to Jarjeer Mule and Donkey Sanctuary in Marakesh in memory of Tintin. I have paid 50% of his original bill and 100% of the others. His original bill was higher than the estimate and we were offered that they would reduce it back to what had been quoted. We agreed we would pay that in full but wanted the vet hospital to donate the balance of £900 to a charity of our choice as it is also offset against corporation, so costs nothing. They refused to do it and then offered to do half. So our loss is valued at £450 which is an insult to a wonderful friend who I miss every day. He was valued at around £3-5K as he was a big poitou type donkey, over 14hh and similar to an American Mammoth donkey, Finding another one is pretty impossible and anyway would not buy just one as donkeys like donkeys. He was our last donkey and that is the thing that really hurts as we probably won't have another one.

This is the third time this has happened to me, Mouse donkey, Sasa and now Tintin. I appreciate that vets make mistakes but it is ironic that the surgery was fine, good job done, the aftercare was just awful (like Mouse) and while they have put in protocols following his death, I don't actually believe that the culture has changed as their communications continue to be sloppy. Tintin's Law is as follows:
  • General admission letter to be sent by reception prior to surgery rather than relying on Practice Manager who was on holiday before Tintin’s surgery
  • Request for history from client’s own vet practice if referral case
  • Morning medication, oral medication should be given at 7am and then confirmed at rounds (8.30am) if this has been eaten. This is particularly important for a horse/donkey going home soon after rounds so contingency treatment can be planned
  • Generic donkey discharge notes to be sent with all donkeys emphasising the importance of eating and receiving medication following discharge home
I think the least he should have expected that this was already in place and not being put in place as a result of his death. I would also have added request for history from owner as a protocol as Tintin was not your usual donkey. A DS report for vets said that their admissions most had no passport, no vaccinations, no dental work,no worming no farrier etc whereas Tintin had dental work and worm testing and worming the week before he went for surgery, he had a valid passpurt and full vaccination history and was well handled and amenable. The second hospital commented that he was in perfect condition and behaved impeccably as I left his rope halter with him as he was used to it. So he was not a typical welfare donkey or unhandled donkey who can be a pain to work with. If his history had been asked, I could have told them that he would not tolerate any form of syringing into his mouth, his only fault, and that he was a donkey who could take or leave company, often going off on his own and chilling out. He no longer had a pair bond since Aimee died but he was close to Buddy and Suze and mutual groomed them and I had real hopes that he would be a trio with Harmony and Scooby. He was used to being stabled solo in winter as he liked to go in and sleep and not be on the yard with the others so being in hospital was not going to bother him. In fact when Ferguson went in to keep Aimee company, he was so upset he had to be treated as well so the global idea that donkeys must go to hospital in pairs is not true, they are all very different and Aimee was such a diva that Ferguson being there was incidental to her well being...I visited him every day in hospital and took him for walks and he was his usual self, cuddly and interested, just unwell.

It was so sad that he was not buried at home with Aimee, Ferguson and Vodka and his old pals Molly and Rose, and Leo. He would not have cared about Sapphire but he was mates with them all and he should be up there with them.
 
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Received a quote this morning £650 just to review our evidence and information so you can imagine that unless someone like Advocates for Animals would take us on the legal route is going to be impossible to pursue.
 
Its awful. I know there was malpractice leading to Bo's death, I never pursued any investigation or anything because it wasn't going to change anything, and money wasn't going to make any difference, or like you to make him feel cheap/undervalued. It is so hard to come to terms with.
 
I don't really know what to say or suggest. As you already know and say, money won't bring him back and yet somehow a charity could benefit couldn't they. And after reading your information I agree that it looks like things were missed and stuff could have been handled differently. The trouble is, it all costs money doesn't it, to bring any kind of legal case. I am just thinking as typing, so forgive the waffle. Personally, I would probably try and put the mistakes that they made behind me, remember him and honour his memory by some kind of donkey charity donation (sorry if you already have done so). Lately (must be a mid life thing) I've reallised just how short our lives are - and often dwelling on stuff doesn't help, no matter how painful the subject and no matter how much we feel grief and loss. I guess what I'm saying is things like this eat away at you whether you like it or not, it's mentally exhausting and honestly - sometimes there really is no solution. Sending you kind thoughts anyway xxx
 
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One always wants to question death, and that is fine. But going to law or a solicitor is quite another thing. My late father was always adamant about the need to avoid solicitors if at all possible. Money down the drain, he said. And indeed we have avoided using solicitors over neighbour disputes thanks largely to a solicitor who advised us against it and told us that a polite personal letter will often serve instead.
 
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We have an offer from a no win no fee equine lawyer, I had hoped Animal Advocates might have taken it on but they don't have the resources at the moment. What pisses me off is that they are arguing over £450 when they turned over £450 million last year, if they had settled as we wanted we would have cut our losses. This is only about their fees, not the £4500 other fees and his value. I suspect we will settle and then report them to RCVS for negligence. They have his notes which showed he had a small colic in January 2024 so they should have been aware. And they told me THREE TIMES that he was eating when he wasn't. The aftercare was rubbish, never saw a vet when he was discharged and the first time I heard from the vet was when he was told by a member of staff that he had died as they had seen something i wrote. I just don't feel that they have learnt anything they say the words but their correspondence is still sloppy! So it may be good to get them investigated as it may look at their systems and make sure this NEVER happens again.
 
Managed to find out by chance that their lawyers have 700 plus lawyers, 1000 staff and 127 partners, with a turnover of £101 million. The No Win No Fee operation are tiny by comparison, so we would probably be hammered as they can keep it out of court forever and run up costs
 
We have settled out of court. Paid their bill in full. They will donate half of what was asked to the charity. and when the deadline to pay the second amount is passed I will report them to the RCVS for negligence.
 
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