Market Harbourers, Daisy Reins, what else?

oinkmoooink

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I am getting a new pony on friday (yay) who will be used predominatly for driving, but does have very nice paces, and i am hoping to do some dressaging
He is quite young (rising 6) and quite green, and we have been warned that he bucks when he gets excited, apparently hes never done anything else, but tho ive sat bucks before, the last time i was straight off before i knew what was happening,

He has had his back checked, teeth, etc, and we will have him vetted and all this checked in time however, i do not wish to be bucked up,a nd i believe its largely due to being young and being a bit spoilt- though hes very lovely

So, obviouslt correctly fitted, would a market harbourer help? Would daisy reins be better? is there anything else?

Thankyou, and pictures shall be posted when he arrives- i have some of me trying him, but my riding was awful!
 
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jaydevon

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NO NO NO please dont start using gadgets.. if you cant sit a buck why the hell buy a pony that bucks! *bangs head* get a riding instructor, that will be your biggest help.
 
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Well 6 is not very young and bucking if excited is quite normal so please don't start using gadgets other than a neckstrap to hang onto. Ask your RI to teach you how to sit safely for a potential buck and keep the horses head up.
 

Wally

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IME there ain't a gadget in the world that'll stop a bucker.

What situations does he buck in? Does he do it under harness? If he did I really would think twice before buying him. If he gets a shaft over his neck you are in far deeper do-do than falling off.
 

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If a horse wants to buck because of excitement then he is desperate to expel that energy. By restricting him with various straps and contraptions, he will just find another, more violent way to expel that energy untill it becomes a nasty habit and he looks at riding as a form of punishment! If he cant buck because his head is strappd he will stag leag, rear, bolt etc etc.

If you are happy with him and think he is the horse for you then the best way to stop a buck (after you've checked the physical) is to make them run flat. As soon as you feel the back arch, kick forward. If the heads up and the backs flat, they cant get power to kick the back legs up. The faster they go, the less they buck. It will get rid of the energy and make him realise that bucking is far more trouble then it i worth! Good luck with him.
 

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was thinking of the riding side...oops...yeh, obviously dont rush him forwards behind a cart! not a good idea! if you are RIDING him, then i find this a good technique...
 

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My preferred method of preventing bucking under saddle (or in harness - but this is rare, which to me indicates that most bucking results from rider error) is to avoid it in the first place, by permitting the horse or pony plenty of turnout in energetic company, considerate handling and then, when saddled, if there is still a great deal pent-up energy and indignation to be released, loose schooling.

Follow that with lots of long, steady rides - and by 'long' I do not mean half an hour, but several hours - alone or in sensible company, and bucking just will not happen, unless you have a horse with a mental or physical problem. Of course if you continue to put the horse in a situation where you expect him to buck, he will continue to do so.
 

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Okay firstly- thankyou


NO NO NO please dont start using gadgets.. if you cant sit a buck why the hell buy a pony that bucks! *bangs head* get a riding instructor, that will be your biggest help.

I have a riding instructor- agree, im not an idiot, I can sit some bucks, but as a rule...i dont buy ponies who buck, so therefore have not had to learn to sit them. Im getting him to use mostly for driving- hes green, hasnt done as much as we expected, but will be very good.
Hes never bucked in the shafts, but with a lot of horses moving around him can get excited. He was only backed this year i believe, before that he was tottering around driving
Im going to ask my riding instructor how to sit bucks, and practice while not bucking) but I cant afford to be falling off- serious back problems.

I just want something initially, i can use which isnt going to affect the horse unless he tries to buck, I kow how to get horses moving well without the use of gadgets, im not concerned about forcing him into a contact im just concerned about my safety, and the horses comfort, he's not gonna feel the market harbourer unless he does something naughty, i was simply asking what other things there were that may help more.
 
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ok i may of been a little blunt... no gadget will stop a few HUNDRED kilos of pony bucking.. the pony is stronger is you. if its going to buck from excitement, give it a lunge before getting on,

how to sit to a buck.. no ri intructor can teach you. HOWEVER they can help you develope a good seat.. ie through balance. the only other thing thats going to teach you how to stay is when you relise its no fun to hit the deck and you learn stickablity!

if you do decided to ignore us all, and use gadgets, the pony is very likely to become worse, as it will no longer be fighting against high spirits, but contraptions strapping it down, you will get more problems and a very ruined pony.
 

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Its mostly for hacking as if i get stranded or knocked out or broken, though i hope not to be hacking out alone, theres nothing i can do.
I may put him in it for schooling for the first few times until im confident, but my riding instructor would be doing a lot of the ridden work and wouldnt need it, i was also planning on lunging before getting on
In theory i have good balance, but i am a lot more confident driving than riding, which is obvious to anyone who sees me doing both

as a rule, im not a great fan of gadgets, sometimes ill lunge in bungees or draw reins, but aside form the obvious curb for driving( when a ponies been driven in a curb all his life) i try no to use them, but i dont plan on strapping him down, just making bucking less fun/likely
 
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but thats my point... a horse to buck 9/10 times needs to get its head down to buck if you put things like side reins on when the pony bucks its going to meet a jab in the gob.. which isnt going to be pretty, again i have to say that if your not confident of sitting a buck then even thinking baout hacking out is a really stupid idea. not only are you putting your life at risk, but the ponys, motorists, and other people.... is it really worth it?
 

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Liverpools don't have to have a curb action, neither do butterlfy Pelhams......in fact most driving bits have a snaffle action option.
 

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I knew a horse who could buck without his head down......and he'd get you off.....every time a coconut!
 

oinkmoooink

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Well that is a good point.

Mostly because for driving he has to be incredibly fit, and i dont want to ruin his back by starting fitness work dragging 250kgs along the whole time, rahter just carrying about 55, and hes going to need a release from schooling, which he isnt balanced enough in the cart yet to do in harness, on road, we shall start fitness work in harness
I dont know how bad the bucking is, we keep eing told hes lovely on the ground, but we do have him on loan until april before havig to buy, so if it is going to be a big issue we can rethink, but aside from the bucking, he is going to be the pony i can acheive my goals on, and i only have until sometime 2010...so if hes perfect in all other respects, i can deal with it

Im also trying to find somewhere which stocks those hit air back protectors
 

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Liverpools don't have to have a curb action, neither do butterlfy Pelhams......in fact most driving bits have a snaffle action option.

Im not sure what bit hes been changed to, he was driven in a butterfly thing without the curb but wasnt really mouthed, im not sure what hes in now- been at Fenix Carriages for the last week, Mark changed the bit, he was ridden in a hanging snaffle, but again i dont think thats right

I was talkinh aobut my current pony- hes driven in a liverpool on topslot, we tried putting him in snaffle, but i rode him in it a few times and had no breaks at all, expecially as he wasnt too hot on leg aids, so i had to gallop around a field for five minutes until he'd had his fun. In the liverpool, now hes excellent ive schooled him up and now were happily winning most of our dressages and cones and some events
 
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please dont take offence, but do u mind if i ask how old you are?? no reason other than my own curiosity.:D
 

Wally

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It is far easier for a pony to "drag" 250 kgs in reasonable conditions that carry 55 kgs.

A good cart, once roling will have hardly any mass at all. Up hills and down will be more taxing, but at trot no bother.

Even my Shetlands can do 250kgs without a bother, in singles. 55kgs needs a fitter pony.
 

oinkmoooink

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15- which is probably roughly what youre guessing

But my age doesnt mean i therefore must be exaggerating stuff and refusing to listen to adviceI fully accept people with more experiance are bound to know more, i also fully accept that sometimes thats not the case
 
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