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The continual frustration of sharing is bringing me to tears. Poor girl is missing shoe and looking lame, other sharer bombing horse around. do i look for a new loan, perserve for the welfare of the horse or just take a break and save up to buy. Voiced concerns to distant owner but not much changing. The lack of control in the situation is driving me crazy. Anyone suffered similar?
 
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Is the other sharer the owner? If not you really need to tell the owner what’s going on so they can take appropriate action.

It is tough as a sharer that you can’t decide how things are done, but you’re not guaranteed that will be better with a full loan, the owner may still dictate certain things to do with management that aren’t what you would choose. Honestly even as an owner this can sometimes happen when on livery as the YO can to some extent dictate things like amount of turnout permitted.
 
the another rider is not the owner, the owner has been informed. its the lack of urgency that is jarring its been going on for weeks, appreciate the limitations of other options too. Current situation is just upsetting
 
I really don't get this sharing business of having more than one share for a horse, plus the owner.

Find yourself a part loan/share where it's just you and the owner and it doesn't cost more for more days. I am not saying that's always plan sailing, but it's certainly less complex than having lots of other people involved.

Who is actually responsible for calling the farrier?
If you've told the owner and she's done nothing, the sharer has done nothing. Why haven't you called them?
 
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newforest said:
I really don't get this sharing business of having more than one share for a horse, plus the owner.

Find yourself a part loan/share where it's just you and the owner and it doesn't cost more for more days. I am not saying that's always plan sailing, but it's certainly less complex than having lots of other people involved.

Who is actually responsible for calling the farrier?
If you've told the owner and she's done nothing, the sharer has done nothing. Why haven't you called them?
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The farrier has been 'coming tomorrow' every time I've asked the owner. I'm starting to understand your skepticism, its hard when you've bonded with a horse and made friends to step back from a situation. The owner does not ride this particular horse but will be with them through to retirement. Im at the point where I either want to ask for full loan so I can step up and take responsibility or just step back from the situation
 
I would say step back. Being with a horse until retirement means taking responsibly for it.
It would make sense to me to drop the rider who is carrying on without the shoe, and allow you to be more involved.
But the owner is aware and doesn't care.
 
I have just found a sharer for my horse. She lives locally and we are in contact nearly every day. I think I've been very lucky to find her, as she has taken on most of the horse care since I broke my wrist. She will have free use of my horse for the whole time I can't ride him and she is looking after him. I hoped for a share that felt like a partnership, and that is what this seems to be.

If I were you I would look for a new share with an owner who is prepared to treat you like a person who has joint responsibility for the horse, not somebody who is paying per ride. It really is worth it. Also, needless to say, an owner who actually cares about their horse, which the current owner doesn't seem to.
 
Just what Jane says. My old share was like this.
But @NewForrest my current share is ridden by lots of other people. Our local horses hack 2 or 3 hours a day six days a week and most sharers either dont have the time or the money or (in my case) the energy to ride more than once or twice a week.
 
@Skib fair enough for a riding school horse - they work hard and mustard their keep. And I agree that it can be ok for a privately owned horse to have more than one sharer. When I shared a pony years ago, at a stable about five minutes drive away, the owner had one other sharer for him as well.

This was because she couldn't ride and wanted to be sure the pony was well exercised, and it was much easier for her to find sharers for a couple of days a week then for four. But she saw her pony every day and he was beautifully looked after, and we sharers were kept on a short leash!
 
I had a share that was multiple people, owner was in vet school so didn’t have time but she got G when she was a young teen and he would never be sold. We had a group chat where everything went so everyone knew what was going on and it worked brilliantly.
 
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Just what Jane says. My old share was like this.
But @NewForrest my current share is ridden by lots of other people. Our local horses hack 2 or 3 hours a day six days a week and most sharers either dont have the time or the money or (in my case) the energy to ride more than once or twice a week.
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I wouldn't call what you do a share though, sorry.
A share means you share one or two days a week. You seem to have multiple riders on the same day as you are riding and if they are doing that six days a week, that's a working horse.
 
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Yes my present ride is a working horse. On a sharing yard. I didnt choose the vocabulary.
You can call it something else if it makes you happy. The point about the share is that it is giving me a half day use of the horse as if she were my own, including hacking her solo although the fee includes an escort if I want. With a share one pays monthly and has to give a month's notice to terminate. And has the same time each week. And rides the same horse which is not the same as a RS. I shared her through the Covid lock down when there was no riding for me.
 
A share generally means the horse is yours on your day. So this includes all the “work” so muck out, poo pick, feed etc etc etc. Not simply turn up and ride only. On your days you have to do the care at least. Not just not go for whatever reason.

There are a few of horses on the yard who have an owner and 2 sharers who ride. I have no idea how they all organise it. One set up, no money changes hands but the sharers do all the care that day. Be that mucking out in winter or poo picking. That is the main reasoning behind the arrangement rather than needing to “make money” on the horse. Another the owner works abroad and again is needing the care side.

I think it is important to recognise that @Skib “share” is not a true share and can confuse matters when people come on asking advice on shares and then getting incorrect advice.
 
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The issue for me wouldn't be whether other people call it a share how many days a share, how many others are involved or whether the sharer mucks out on their days (I've been a sharer and had zero jobs as the horse was on full livery - he could have been tacked up for me & presented at the mounting block, had I wanted) the issue is a lack of welfare for the horse.

As a rider, you're unlikely to get any more say than you have now so I'd walk away & find another arrangement.
 
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I'm going to start keeping an eye out for a new arrangement and voice for the horses welfare until I leave.
Inquired about one advertised but they rear which I'm not interested in dealing with - wish me luck its such a minefield finding a suitable share
 
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I think it is important to recognise that @Skib “share” is not a true share
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Not your problem. It is fine by the local authorities. We sign a contract to share. The yard was a charity at the time I joined, and the horses for therapy were exercised by sharers. Covid lockdown prevented patient access so it became a riding club. I dont own Ella but I have the use of her one morning per week. My old share was the same arrangement except I had her twice a week.

If @carthorse tells me this is not a share, she is always right. But on a forum we each of us explain our relationship to the horses we ride and I use the word share because it is the word used on both my yards, It seems my old share was so notorious that people still describe me as the woman who shared her.
 
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Not your problem. It is fine by the local authorities. We sign a contract to share. The yard was a charity at the time I joined, and the horses for therapy were exercised by sharers. Covid lockdown prevented patient access so it became a riding club. I dont own Ella but I have the use of her one morning per week. My old share was the same arrangement except I had her twice a week.

If @carthorse tells me this is not a share, she is always right. But on a forum we each of us explain our relationship to the horses we ride and I use the word share because it is the word used on both my yards, It seems my old share was so notorious that people still describe me as the woman who shared her.
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What is your issue with Carthorse?
She's not even on this thread.

Your situation is unique and possibly along the lines of what I have seen abroad. You pay to belong to the club and you get allocated a horse with an escort on a set day.
Its your arrangement and if you are happy that's fine.
 
I have shared many horses in the past and the arrangement is different between each one. I’m not sure why everyone feels the need to define the word ‘share’ because it will all depend on the agreement between the people involved.

I once shared a lovely horse who also had another sharer. One day I came to ride and found out the other person had already taken her on a 3.5 hour hack that morning. This was a 21 year old mare with an odd shoulder limp (she was lame but the owner wouldn’t use that word). I was the only one who thought that a 3.5 hack followed by me riding for an hour was too much for this horse, so I walked away.

Another horse I shared had been taken hunting by his owner the day before my day. When I went to ride him the poor horse was so stiff and obviously sore (to me anyway). The owner got really cross when I suggested the horse needed to rest and recover from the hunting.

On both occasions the motivation for having the share was about money and the welfare of both horses was not properly thought about. If you feel the horses care is compromised then voice your concerns and walk away. Otherwise you will become part of the cycle and part of the problem.
 
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