How to 'help' without interfering

sammyantha

New Member
Jan 2, 2007
860
0
0
Derbyshire
I keep my new horse (of 6mths) on a DIY yard. After not being around horses for almost 8 years previous to this I have found it hard getting back into riding. I have lost some of the confidence I had as a kid and definitely some of the softness and balance. All of this affects my relationship with new mare as I fumble around, get nervous at times, and am more worried about people watching me as I ride, rather than concentrating on our progress. So I know what it feels like to be new, nervous, and feel like you're not quite doing your lovely horse justice.

Anyway, a lovely man has just joined our small yard with his new horse. He has had 3 riding lessons before, and no stable experience, and it's a DIY yard with practically no facilities :eek:

He's getting on fine with the stable side of things, gets to the yard early, mucks out, feed/ hay/ waters in record time, does his share of the poo picking and is always ready to help the rest of us out with anything. But I'm not sure how he's doing with the riding. I have heard no mention of a riding instructor as yet, and he doesn't seem to have a horsey wife/ family around to help, it's just him! New horse is such a darling. Same type personality as my mare - laid back but sensitive, I think she's the same breed mix (TBxID) though she's bigger at 16.1hh.

Last week he fell off while out on his own with her, but fair enuff got back on and both parties were OK though shaken. This morning he couldn't get the bit into her mouth. At first I wasn't sure whether to butt in or not. He's actually asked all of us to advise him if we think he's doing/ not doing something etc, but I know how awkward it makes me feel if someone watches me when I feel I'm making a fool of myself. Anyway, I stood by the door and murmered, yes that's it, nearly got it etc, and finally went in to help. I stood at her neck and demonstrated the technique of, right hand under neck to grab whole thing and bring nose down, while thumb goes into corner of mouth and hand pushes bit in. He tried another 2 times then asked me to help. She was a bugger with me too so I guess that would have made him feel a bit more at ease.

Then I asked him how he was getting on with the riding and he mentioned trying to cross the road at the end of our bridle path :eek: The crossing is on a blind corner and most of us shoot accross it as fast as possible when we're absolutely sure nothing is coming. There's no time to be prancing, spooking, or dilly dallying around. So it shocked me that he would even be attempting to cross a road at his stage, let alone something like that. The horse shied anyway and they havn't tried it since thank goodness. I also noticed that his hat was the wrong way round (I told him before he mounted of course).

I think it's great that he's taking on such a big challenge, but I am worried about him, and his poor girl. She is laid back and sweet tempered but she gets very stressed sometimes and I think this is frustration at being in a new place, a stable which she's not keen on (Outdoors with dim light and she can see all the others go past at morning turnout), she's in isolation at the mo (grazing on her own) till we pair/ herd her up, and she's got to deal with a complete beginner riding her (he's doing OK in the practical dept).

I am really beginning to like her and wonder if this is why I'm taking such an interest. But I am increasingly worried about them both, and feeling guilty about the effect this could all have on the mare.

Of course I, and the others are around to help, but we tend to be there at odd times, there's lots of space in between when there's no one around should anything happen. I was thinking of asking him out on a hack, or a shared schooling session. My mare can be a bit spooky at times, and I'm not sure we're at the stage that I could trust her to be calm and take the lead should a bad situation occur on a hack, but she's also a bugger to school with other people, as she is constantly distracted.

Can you suggest a way for me to gently and subtely help these two out? I want them to make the best of it, I really do. Any idea's?
 
Sammy, you come across as such a nice, tactful friendly person, that I'm sure you can carry on as you are doing, help him all you can, and it couldn't possibly come across as anything other than nice and friendly. Just buddy up with him. Yes, I think you should ask him to go on a hack with you. It's really useful when you're just starting, to see what passes for 'normal' , in riding, in horse care, in everything. Just pick a nice short route that you're confident of, start small, work up. if you arrange to go on a ride with him regularly, that will increase the amount of time he's there on the yard with someone else there, and minimise the time he has to spend fending for himself and htat has to be good. Sometimes all you need when you're starting, is a friend. And you sound like an ideal one for him.
 
Well there is a track around our boundary which takes about 15 mins to ride. It's possible the horses will spook, but better there than on the road. And it leads nicely onto the bridle path which goes up into the forest so I guess we could work on making our way further each time. I have been hoping for someone to ride with actually as no one else on my yard seems to bother (or their horse is lame :rolleyes: )
 
thats really nice of you :) i know that if i were new to riding and in at the deep end with a new horse id be really greatful for a friend!

if he gets at all shirty then back off but make sure he knows your there, i can imagime how stressful having a horse with little/no support or experience must be. I should imagine that your help will be invaluable - besides if hes not shown how to do things how on earth will he learn? we all have to start somewhere :)
 
Yes, I didn't think of it like that. I guess being on a small DIY yard where people come and go at different times and mainly keep themselves to themselves, I've gotten used to letting everyone else do their thing while I do mine. Noticing these two and their issues is taking me out of my comfort zone because I'm not sure how to act, or 'inter'act! lol.

Thanks for the suggestions guys. I will definitely try to be a friend, and loosen up a bit so that he can approach me if he needs to. :D
 
Certainly. You seem very nice and if you do it on the tact of 'I really need someone to hack out with' or 'I would really like the company' etc then he wont see it as you interfering, more that he is helping you out. Once you both get to know each other better it will be easier for him to ask you things that are bothering him.
Good luck :)
 
Are you interested in having lessons yourself? If so maybe you could ask if he would be interested in having a semi-private lesson as it would help you out as well by keeping the cost down. Or perhaps a private lesson each saying it makes it more worthwhile an intstructor making the effort to come out:rolleyes: . Of course this would only be feasible if you really were interested in having lessons.

I think you sound like you are doing the best you can for him and his horse and 'I just hope she doesnt learn to take advantage of him.
 
ROFL Gypsy!!! :D

Yes I am interested in having lessons, and more specifically an RA as there is a good one very close to us. It will be worth mentioning to him and then we can perhaps have a shared lesson plus a visit from the RA.

Is it possible to mix abilities in this way though? I am not after jumping big fences or learning top level dressage, but there are specific issues I would like to work on with an instructor. Would the instructor be able to cope with two sets of needs in 1 lesson?
 
Would the instructor be able to cope with two sets of needs in 1 lesson?
No, but you wouldn't need to double up - you could just approach it more as a point of common interest - you'd invite him to come and watch and observe the RA work with you and your horse ... I for one would leap at that opportunity. Just offer him the choice. The more he is exposed to different learning opportunities the better - he may not even know what an RA is. And it will be a good conversation point for the two of you.

Good grief, listen to me ! I'll have the two of you married off before you know it :eek:
 
Oh and dont forget to tell him about New Rider and what a helpful bunch we are:D I'm sure you could get this post removed if you wanted too.

To be honest his wife obviously doesnt appreciate the shortage of horsey men or he cerainly wouldnt be unsupervised would he ;) .

My son is 11 and is not a bad little rider. I have often found myself having to wade through a gaggle of girls to drag him out to do his round or whatever. His pony stopped the other day at a fence and I suggested maybe he should try warming up his pony a bit more instead of socialising quite so much:rolleyes:

Of course his dad encourages him:eek:
 
My son rides like an old farmer, when we went riding in Iceland he certainly didn't look out of place! :D :D :D ;)

Sadly he's not interested in riding, he'll flob about with Fákur, or one of the safe ones, but sadly isn't interested in riding. Loves being groom if we drive out, and for shows.

I think you are doing a grand job, keep things light hearted, and say every now and again "tell me to butt out if you want, I don't want you to feel I am intefering" (or words to that effect) that way you'll never come across as a control freak as some DIY yards seem to have a pet one in the corner!;)
 
I'm sure if you offer some sort of help/support/joint ride out he would really appreciate it as your have come across as being really friendly and helpful.

Going through something similar at my yard, although some people are just laughing behind this new woman's back, I've stood up for her and helped her as much as I can and have told her to tell me to butt out if she feels she doesn't need my help.

I don't see the point in criticising someone for not doing things perfectly, its much better to ask them do they need help and show them and offer some time to them.

Good on ya:)
 
You're a really kind person to help this man. It would be good if he could have some lessons though. Perhaps he could also see if there's anywhere that does classes for stable management, feeding horses etc.
 
now I think of it, would you like to come to my yard and teach some of the others on how to respect people!
 
Lol Loopslou, why not!

We chatted again this morning and I discovered that he is having lessons actually, but that his instructor couldn't make it this week which is why I havn't seen her/ him. I suggested an RA and he seemed very interested. We have a short ride planned for saturday so I'll let you know how it goes. :D

Incidentally, I could do with refreshing my horse care and stable management skills on some kind of day long course. Does anyone have any recommendations? I am in the Worcestershire area by the Wyre Forest and there are 4 or 5 others that would probably be interested too.
 
Last edited:
I would ask him if he fancies doing a bit of schooling together? I know what you mean, you don't want to butt in or anything or come across as looking down on him etc. Once there was somebody on our old yard who was a beginner like me (well to be honest she had a lot less experience than me) and we used to share the school now and again - it was great fun, I think I put her at her ease and we had a laugh and used to enjoy schooling, even if it went wrong - we did lots of daft stuff together and it helped her relax. Doesn't sound to me like you're a bossy person anyways, I'm sure he'd only be too glad of the help - specially as your yard is DIY.
 
I also think you sound lovely and tactful

lol men maybe different than us ladies - my uncle for one has never had a lesson in his life, he got bored watching my neice ride so hopped on one himself. he until a few years ago had 4 ex race horses :rolleyes: and competed xc and hacked on them :) tut tut but he and horses had great fun

the guy maybe a bit embarrassed as well, female yard and not very experienced - he may be dying for you to make the first move re schooling etc it woudl give you an idea if he is like my uncle or not :) and if he was he would politely laugh and say he only does walk or canter as it is uncomforable :rolleyes:
 
Do you have any books or stuff you could offer to lend him? I know I have loads at my parents which to be honest I could do with re-reading! Just say to him that they really helped you when you first had a horse and you think it may help him if he'd be interested.

There is a course you can do in Horse Care and Management from the BHS, the place I wanted to go and do it (Hartpury College in Gloucester) aren't running it at the moment though, check the BHS website that should tell you where their doing it.

Also don't forget to tell him about NR...
 
newrider.com