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Jane&Ziggy

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less belly but more neck
That's interesting. Well, not the less belly, I imagine most horses would have less belly than Sid! But when I tried him it struck me how after Ziggy (who had a real pony conformation) Sid looked and felt as if he had a real long riding horse neck. He certainly does a good giraffe impression!
 
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Jessey

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For an adult physically healthy horse I like to be able to feel ribs with a little pressure, I don’t mind seeing them just before spring and I don’t mind them being less feelable in autumn. I don’t like them to get fatty crests or fat pads at all. When they’re growing I don’t want them to be fat fat, but I don’t mind them putting a bit on as they often go out before shooting up.
 

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That's interesting. Well, not the less belly, I imagine most horses would have less belly than Sid! But when I tried him it struck me how after Ziggy (who had a real pony conformation) Sid looked and felt as if he had a real long riding horse neck. He certainly does a good giraffe impression!
Is it the head carriage do you think? Ramsey was 13'3, Hogan only 13, but I seem to have so much more horse in front of me - a cob thing perhaps?
 

Jane&Ziggy

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Not in this case, as Ziggy had a very high head carriage (he had been driven). It's just that Sid has a long neck and huge shoulders - there seems to be a lot of him there even if he has his nose on the ground!
 
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We never got an answer. She had extreme liver failure, at Glasgow Vet for a week, liver biopsy, given 7 days to live, managed 10 more years. Wasn't ragwort poisoning, got a botanist out to walk the field, found nothing except some alsike clover - which is toxic - dropped on our tracks by birds. She had a lot of liver tonics and treatments, then milk thistle and then we left it as she seemed well enought. Although she recovered i never rode her after that as didn't want to risk her having a relapse. Then she was diagnosed with cushings and that finished her off when she was 26.
 

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This is Gracie, taken last Sunday ...

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Compared to her last summer - when I thought I was doing a really good job of managing her weight.... but clearly wasn't! 🤦

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Despite her "streamlined" physique these days, I still can't readily feel her ribs. She IS a chunky traditional, with a good amount of bone, so she'll never be Connemara shaped! 😂
 

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This is Gracie, taken last Sunday ...

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Compared to her last summer - when I thought I was doing a really good job of managing her weight.... but clearly wasn't! 🤦

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Despite her "streamlined" physique these days, I still can't readily feel her ribs. She IS a chunky traditional, with a good amount of bone, so she'll never be Connemara shaped! 😂
Even when i had Rose at her leanest, the year she died, i never felt a rib. I don't think cobs have ribs
 

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@Jane&Ziggy She is muzzled when she's out now. Also, now that my employer is no longer with us and I don't have to help with her dialysis so I have a lot more time to dedicate to exercising G.
 

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Not in this case, as Ziggy had a very high head carriage (he had been driven). It's just that Sid has a long neck and huge shoulders - there seems to be a lot of him there even if he has his nose on the ground!
I'm convinced Hogans been driven, but I guess I'll never know!
 

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Out of interest what sort of condition do you like to keep your horses in, particularly cobby or more substantial ones? Real answers please, not copied from the text book because you know that's what the answer should be!

Luka has been on a diet since he came because I think he's too fat. A few people have asked how many kg I want off him before he's no longer on a diet, the answer is I don't know but I want to be able to easily feel at least some ribs and I want more of his crest gone. The concept of cobs having ribs that can be felt seems to upset some people judging by the comments about that's too thin for his type. So what are your views - he'll be dieting anyway and I won't be offended if people don't agree :)

I am in the U.S. I often have a difficult time convincing owners of Quarter Horses that my Tennessee Walkers should never look like a QH:). TWH’s do have a Morgan mare as their Foundation Mare of Record, so many of them can have more fat than they need and they are all predisposed to metabolic issues.

My grandfather wanted his horses to look “well cared for”, aka fat:). That was and still is a hard habit for me to break, but I have dealt with metabolic issues in two Tennessee Walkers and the third one is a very easy keeper, so I watch them carefully.

One of the precursors to possible, impending metabolic issues is the infamous water channel down the top line. Any horse In the U.S. needs to be on a weight loss plan “yesterday” if it has a water channel for a top line. Add off/on hoof soreness to that and the horse is likely heading for founder.

We try to use the Henneke Scale as a guide. I take a lot of pictures since my eyes lie to me all the time:). I like to be able to feel ribs, which I can’t on my 27 yr old, and I do not like to see my geldings tummies waddling side-to-side, like a pregnant mare; which my 27 yr old is a bit waddly😳

This is my 27 yr old, heading out to pasture a few days ago. He looks at great weight in this picture but he could stand to lose ~30 pounds. I can’t ride anymore, so I am thankful our pastures are full of hills as Rusty gets more natural exercise in an hour than I could give him in twice that time.

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Below is my 26 yr old Tennessee Walker. The one I had to take 100+ pounds off when his insulin soared and he foundered so bad in 2012. Even Cornell University marveled he was alive.

I almost lost this horse due to founder from high insulin and he is why I sometimes get a little too sassy about other horses that need to lose weigh. Not only are the effects of metabolic issues heartbreaking to see and live with, if it is too serious, it becomes bloody expensive to try and reverse the damage.

Joker now Also has Cushings (which is not reversible) and has become difficult to keep weight on him, due to the Cushings.

I could easily see his ribs thru his winter hair. All three of his vets said he was “ok”. Well, no he wasn’t “ok” because I was starting to see his hip bones. He is a short-coupled-built-like-an-old-style Lippitt Morgan, so those hip bones we’re making me nervous.

I buy my supplements from HorseTech and they sold me a custom mix that consisted of increased amino acids and fat calories. It helped tremendously. This is how Joker looks today. His ribs are visible when he is standing a certain way - honest:)
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Jane&Ziggy

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I really admire a cob this shape

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There are plenty for sale on HorseQuest in this condition, often from Irish or cob specialist yards. How do they do it? Do they all hack out 20 miles a day?
 
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