Breed lines for a welsh

juliecwuk

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I just saw an advert on Facebook for a mare for sale...

Her breeding:

Sire - Trevallion Valentino 36505

Dam - Danaway Josephine

Damsire - Travallion Valentino 36505

So the same stallion is the father and also the grandfather on the mothers side - is that normal? Is that not a bit of inbreeding? I'm curious more than anything!
 

Bodshi

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Isn't there a special name for that - when both sire and dam lines lead back to a particular horse or prefix? Can't remember what it's called (I know nothing about breeding) but I'm sure people sometimes 'boast' that their horse has that kind of double lineage, so I think it's seen as a good thing sometimes. I agree though, I'm not to keen on the idea of breeding that close.
 

popularfurball

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It also means that dad slept with daughter...
I just saw an advert on Facebook for a mare for sale...

Her breeding:

Sire - Trevallion Valentino 36505

Dam - Danaway Josephine

Damsire - Travallion Valentino 36505

So the same stallion is the father and also the grandfather on the mothers side - is that normal? Is that not a bit of inbreeding? I'm curious more than anything!
 

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They call it line breeding in quarter horses and is often bragged about though personally I think it's awful. I can understand if it's two horses with the same prefix, perhaps a stud has been going 50 years and they use two own bred horses giving the same prefix but out of different lines, but this is clearly not the case here, this is straight up in breeding.
 

Jane&Ziggy

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Apparently it is a recognised technique in highly bred horses to try to fix particular desirable characteristics.

It doesn't seem right to me, I must say.
 

Kite_Rider

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I think it's very wrong personally, I can see why they do it but for the life of me can't see how anyone could think it's a good idea. I think the dog world is similar too, well it used to be, it may have changed now though.
 

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If it's done it needs to be done incredibly carefully because you can fix traits that you don't want too, if I was buying that mare to breed from I'd want some serious advice on what to put her to.

There's quite a bit of line breeding in some welshies, though not usually as close as that. It may be why some of them have a reputation for being a little quirky lol
 

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It does not happen in the wild. And a stallion will sometimes allow a daughter to stay in his own band but then be covered by a rival stallion. So frankly if evolution says it is a bad idea then I think it is short-sighted and foolish for humans to interfere!
 
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Jane&Ziggy

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It does not happen in the wild. And a stallion will sometimes allow a daughter to stay in his own band but then be covered by a rival stallion. So frankly if evolution says it is a bad idea then I think it is short-sighted and foolish for humans to interfere!

With you on that one Krissie!
 
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