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If the land can’t cope with another horse this winter, it’s not going to be any better if you buy in spring as still won’t cope next winter! This sounds like an excuse as you already said you have enough for another one and can manage the extra work.

You should go, you want another riding horse and you can always decide you don’t like it when you get there but you won’t know until you try.
I can do some more work on the gateways once winter is over. OH doesn't help me now so i am doing all the horse work now, whereas before he helped out. Might have issues laying the mats myself as the ones i was going to get are heavier but non slip, as the mud control mats can be a bit slippy, these have a different surface. The weather this year everyone here is saying is the worst it has ever been, torrential, daily, everything is so deep. The main winter field is fine once you get over the lowest part, one of the gateways has mud control mats down and it holds up. The new gateway created when we did fencing is where the water from the summer fields and the hills runs to and then goes out under the road and down the hill, it is the weakest link. The old field drains up on my neighbours land have collapsed so we get all their water coming down through ours, I planted a lot of willow in there then the buggers took the electric fence down and ate the lot......Put down some straw on the new entrance next to the yard when it started to go but didn't work, will need mud mats down, I thought about doing it before winter but given we had relaid the front yard with a surface and could used that entrance, give it a go as it was. Wrong decision. Plus with all the stuff with mum I really didn't have the energy to do it. The summer fields are holding up and have had to put Buddy and Tintin there with Buddy colicking and needing to have long grass due to his teeth issues. Haven't managed to harrow the summer fields but poo picked 3 of them yesterday so at least i have some really clean fields, two more to do, one is being used by Buddy and the top one i never do as it is at the steepest bit of the field and a bit perilous with the mower and harrow....might go up there and rake it as that would be safer. Buddy is feeling a lot better, have given him fast fibre mixed with a little of the veteran vitality and made very wet and he is managing to get that down him.
 
I dont think the situation is so drastic or even demands a quick answer whether you go or not.
If you are in pain or need your energy to look after the animals you already have, it doesnt really make much difference whether you buy now or wait till the Spring and see how you feel mentally and physically about riding then.

I am posting this to reassure you that stopping riding doesnt mean that you cannot resume at some future date. I had a whole year (13 months) of not riding during the Covid lock down, March 2020-April 2021. When I resumed, my main problem was my ankles but I did NHS exercises to strengthen them up again. Mounting a horse and the landing after dismounting are very hard on ones ankles. As was rising trot.
 
I dont think the situation is so drastic or even demands a quick answer whether you go or not.
If you are in pain or need your energy to look after the animals you already have, it doesnt really make much difference whether you buy now or wait till the Spring and see how you feel mentally and physically about riding then.

I am posting this to reassure you that stopping riding doesnt mean that you cannot resume at some future date. I had a whole year (13 months) of not riding during the Covid lock down, March 2020-April 2021. When I resumed, my main problem was my ankles but I did NHS exercises to strengthen them up again. Mounting a horse and the landing after dismounting are very hard on ones ankles. As was rising trot.
I had 8 years off before I got Buddy as nothing to ride that was sound but i was younger then. And had more help. Buddy is older now, and possibly now more fragile, he has always been such a strong boy and having 6 is the most we would ever have had in terms of big horses, We had more in total but they were smaller donkeys so less work, it's a bit of a dilemma, i want to keep riding but trying to be sensible about what i can manage without wrecking myself!
 
Is there anywhere fairly local that you could go to ride? Keeps you in the saddle but without the expense and work of having another.
 
Is there anywhere fairly local that you could go to ride? Keeps you in the saddle but without the expense and work of having another.
not really, I don't like riding schools, what i enjoy is going out on my own just me and my horse. Ian Stark has a place but it's just not my thing.
 
How was she described and how did she differ? She looks a nice type, as far as I can tell from video and how hairy she is, and reasonably forward but sensible.
 
How was she described and how did she differ? She looks a nice type, as far as I can tell from video and how hairy she is, and reasonably forward but sensible.
Liked her on the ground, nice type, sold on her when i saw her, didn't ride remotely as described. Still trying to get my head around her behaviour, the videos don't show what she actually did.......
 
So this is how my day went. She was described as:

“She would hack all day long and on buckle end! She is fazed by nothing. Tara has seen Large lorries, double decker buses, tractors, motorbikes, quads, prams, cyclists etc. and will happily walk past all we have yet to find something that phases her! She crosses all and any bridges whether it’s over a busy motorway or a noisy river. She will happily hack alone or in company. And is happy to be marching at the front or plodding along at the back. Tara enjoys some schooling and will do some polework. However Tara doesn’t jump. She really doesn’t enjoy this and just doesn’t pick her feet up over a fence. So ideally a Happy Hacking home with someone to spoil her would be perfect Tara is happy to live in or out. And doesn’t change due to lack of turnout. Tara stands great to be clipped and falls asleep! She is great with the farrier and the vet and stands like a rock unfazed. Tara also loads well. We’ve only had her in a lorry but we know she has previously travelled in a trailer and was quite happy She is 16hh and 16. She only up for sale due to my mums health decline and just having the time to give her she deserves. Let me know if she would interest you ”

She is smaller than 16hh, probably 15’2 ish. On first sight, I liked her, nice solid cob tied up on yard. Tried my saddle would need adjustment so we used her tack and just my stirrups. The daughter rode her in an indoor school at walk and trot so I decided to ride her. Managed to get on from a two step block so she clearly isn’t 16hh as I couldn’t get on Buddy from that.

Rode her in school at walk and trot. She was obedient turning changing direction but brakes not there. You ask for a halt, nothing happened. She did stop eventually but put lot of pressure on. Buddy and sapphire stop on the lightest touch. Decided to try her outside.

Rode her along the road from the stables to the road, she was walking out nicely, quite relaxed. These are the two videos going away from the camera on a road full of potholes. We were supposed to go right down a steep hill, icy, there was a grass track ahead so suggested I go that way. Found out later she had not gone along there before. She went past a skip and house with a bit of rubbish, she was walking less confidently than on the bit of road she was familiar with. Head on one side, looking. Had to encourage her to walk out better and be straight, went down a hill to where it meets and road and turned around. Was going to trot her up the hill, asked for a trot, got 2 bucks, thankfully not the third as I think I would have come off, got her back under control walked up the hill, asked for halt. The video of the horse coming toward camera on a grassy track is us coming back towards the yard after the first little episode

Same as in school, she just keeps going and you have to really pull hard on her reins to get her to halt. This is not how I like to ride. Did this multiple times, every time she didn’t halt, I circled her, and walked her on and asked again, until she finally did it and then she was scratched and praised. Used voice Tara Whoa Halt, and she did it ok three times in a row instant and nice and soft so she can do it, but then when you went on she lost it again and kept going and had to be circle to get her attention back.

Managed to get a walk to trot and back to walk and halt transition nicely but in general the braking communications just not there. Would she have tanked off at the bottom of the hill and legged it back to the stables? Could have. I did persevere with her and for example one time we turned back again she considered planting so I made her go on as it was important.

On the way back to the yard, on the piece of road she knows, lots of cars passing, never turned a hair. In one of the videos you see her coming toward you and breaking into trot and me circling her – because I did not ask for a trot. So corrected her and made her go back and do it again.

She is ridden in a flash – which I don’t like – they say she opens her mouth in the school. I asked the daughter who claims to ride her on the buckle what I should do to get a better halt, so she said shorten reins, which I did but it contradicted going on the buckle. I was riding her on the same length of rein as I saw her in the school, tried it shorter, but not sure it made any difference. She was better going out on the road she knew and if she had turned right and followed the usual route we might have had a different experience. But in a way it was good what happened as she has to go where I ask when I ask.

Did I feel safe on her – yes at times. Did I ride her well – yes I think I did, I managed to cope with her resistances and being bolshy, wasn’t bucked off or bolted with. And I persevered and tried to find the key to her. I think a lot of riders wouldn’t have bothered. I rode her for around an hour and most of it was practicing walk halt. The owners were upset I heard on the video Oh Tara please behave yourself. She was ridden Sunday the week before and not since. They appeared surprised by her behaviour so I think we are all baffled. She hasn’t been advertised for sale so I am the first person to try her. Going forward I could either just bale or get Brian who helped with Sapphire to go with me again and see what he thinks. Would only take her on loan with a view to buy after today.

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Everything else you describe I could put down to not very experienced horse, used to a regular routine, not been schooled much BUT her response to being asked to go out of her comfort zone is bucks- that would be a "no" from me.
 
Everything else you describe I could put down to not very experienced horse, used to a regular routine, not been schooled much BUT her response to being asked to go out of her comfort zone is bucks- that would be a "no" from me.
The buck actually could have been simply excitement, my friend who came with me said she looked much more forward out of the school and looked like she needed a good canter to let off steam. But the owners say that she never really over extends herself and only does as much as she needs to and they asked how i got her into a canter as they rarely canter her. She just went into it. I saw the motorway bridge they ride her over, she is a bit of an enigma. I am sure Brian would sort her it's a question of whether it's worth it. The videos don't really show the resistances, it was more the lack of a halt, i am used to them halting on the lightest of touch. she was a bit like a hard mouthed cob from a riding school but what they say about how she rides and how she presented they were shocked and I believe it was genuine, as the girl as other horses and the mum is giving up riding due to health issues. They love the horse, she hasn't done much recently as they have 2 showjumpers which the daughter rides and she works.
 
Yes, 15years I didn't mean 'young' I meant "inexperienced" - as in always the same route at the same speed. On the buckle because actually it's her in charge & she always trots here & stops there when mum takes her out. Maybe she was surprised to have someone actually ride her?
Just my impression from what you said. You were there.
I still wouldn't match a horse that bucks (whether because fresh or challenged) to a rider who describes herself as elderly with physical issues. Maybe I'm unusually cautious.:)
 
Yes, 15years I didn't mean 'young' I meant "inexperienced" - as in always the same route at the same speed. On the buckle because actually it's her in charge & she always trots here & stops there when mum takes her out. Maybe she was surprised to have someone actually ride her?
Just my impression from what you said. You were there.
I still wouldn't match a horse that bucks (whether because fresh or challenged) to a rider who describes herself as elderly with physical issues. Maybe I'm unusually cautious.:)
The buck was definitely not wanted. She was in previous home 6 years, sold due to twins, and the daughter got her as she had had a horse on loan which reared and she came off, so Tara was the safe confidence giving horse. I think they were genuinely suprised by her behaviour. They may have written me off anyway as a potential owner. It was a bit curate's egg, she was good in parts and a bit bolshy in others!
 
What are you looking for? And what's your budget? Because what you've said, wouldn't put me off for a horse intended to hack in the mid 4 figures. I think if you're wanting a more ready made hacking horse, you'd be looking at higher 4 figures to 5 figures.

Were they bucks or more humps? A buck with intent is to me, completely different to a humpy-buck. I'd also assume her saddle will need looking at and could be contributing to the bucks, especially if the daughter isn't the same size or shape as you so could be affecting fit.

The fact she allowed herself to be pulled up and stopped is totally different to a horse that will buck until they've deposited the rider. I'm not saying you should be riding the last type but I'd take it as a sign of her being geniune that she pulled up sweetly and didn't buck again.

Most horse's will be less confident with an unknown rider on a route they don't know well. Again, I'd take her being just a bit looky and less confident as a good sign, especially with something spooky like a skip and that she was golden on the bits she knew well.

The schooling 'issue' wouldn't bother me as you can re-school to be lighter to aids. You can change tack too. I tried P in a totally different bridle and bit set up than what I ride him in now.

I think she looks and sounds very sweet and promising. If I was looking for a hacking horse, I'd buy her happily. Obviously you are the one that will ultimately need to decide whether to buy her.
 
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The lack of brakes some people just accept as normal, not everyone expects them to be light and stop on a dime, but it can often be changed with consistent schooling. Equally given your experience with Sapphire I wouldn't think a horse that needs any 'fixing' would be ideal for you at this point, because with the best will in the world it isn't guaranteed and you could end up with another that doesn't suit you and it seems something ready made would be better for you just now from what you have said previously.
 
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What are you looking for? And what's your budget? Because what you've said, wouldn't put me off for a horse intended to hack in the mid 4 figures. I think if you're wanting a more ready made hacking horse, you'd be looking at higher 4 figures to 5 figures.

Were they bucks or more humps? A buck with intent is to me, completely different to a humpy-buck. I'd also assume her saddle will need looking at and could be contributing to the bucks, especially if the daughter isn't the same size or shape as you so could be affecting fit.

The fact she allowed herself to be pulled up and stopped is totally different to a horse that will buck until they've deposited the rider. I'm not saying you should be riding the last type but I'd take it as a sign of her being geniune that she pulled up sweetly and didn't buck again.

Most horse's will be less confident with an unknown rider on a route they don't know well. Again, I'd take her being just a bit looky and less confident as a good sign, especially with something spooky like a skip and that she was golden on the bits she knew well.

The schooling 'issue' wouldn't bother me as you can re-school to be lighter to aids. You can change tack too. I tried P in a totally different bridle and bit set up than what I ride him in now.

I think she looks and sounds very sweet and promising. If I was looking for a hacking horse, I'd buy her happily. Obviously you are the one that will ultimately need to decide whether to buy her.
They paid £3K for her 2 years ago and want that for her, to go on 3 month loan. I have sent them a message asking if they are still interested or not, and waiting to hear from my friend Brian as if he goes and rides her, he will be able to make an impartial assessment. The buck if she had got a third one in i may have come off as i was thinking oh shit at the time. I didn't like the wintec saddle that much, the mum is heavier than me definitely, the daughter the mare wouldn't even know she was sitting on her.
 
The lack of brakes some people just accept as normal, not everyone expects them to be light and stop on a dime, but it can often be changed with consistent schooling. Equally given your experience with Sapphire I wouldn't think a horse that needs any 'fixing' would be ideal for you at this point, because with the best will in the world it isn't guaranteed and you could end up with another that doesn't suit you and it seems something ready made would be better for you just now from what you have said previously.
When I rode Sapphire to try her, she was a pleasure to ride, I rode her on a busy road and across a huge stubble field, came back with a smile on my face. Ditto Buddy who I tried when I hadn't ridden for 8 years. And I could see that Sapphire was completely fixable in terms of riding, as I saw how lovely she was with Brian and he had total belief that I could ride her, he just wanted to test her in all sorts of stress situations and work her through them. I questioned her safety and soundness which is why I have retired her. Other people might have chosen to try to get her fitter and try again, but i just didn't fancy a wall with her. I just don't like a horse that you are having to be very heavy handed on their mouth to get from walk to halt, how much of it was her just being in a mood or her normal way of going I don't know. I don't enjoy a horse that you are sawing at its mouth to get it to stop. No horse is really ready made, they are not machines, I can accept stuff not being perfect, in fact i don't expect it! All i need is a horse that stands still to get on and off, good in traffic, and is sensible and safe. Buddy can do a marvellous spook and disappear and when he gets excited a lot of riders wouldn't like him as he really gets wound up. But i know how to ride him. I just couldn't work her out and I agree I don't want to spend time on something that doesn't tick more boxes. Whether it is worth going back a second time given she can come on loan I have asked them what they think and waiting to hear what B thinks. I suspect we will probably just walk away
 
After Ziggy the lack of brakes would make it a no no for me. It sounds as though she was unsettled, but feeling safe is so important and no brakes to me = not really safe. I'd rather a buck TBH.
 
After Ziggy the lack of brakes would make it a no no for me. It sounds as though she was unsettled, but feeling safe is so important and no brakes to me = not really safe. I'd rather a buck TBH.
no i don't like hard mouths, there is a nice cob locally but with a dodgy dealer such a shame. My friend who went with me - not the trainer - has a good friend who may have something so see what it is.
 
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